The Strange And Terrible Saga Of The Soviet Commuter College

This is Woodbury University.

 

 

Seems harmless enough

It’s a small commuter college with a main office in Burbank, an architecture school in San Diego, and a media center in Second Life.

Oh. Wait. God. No.

 

 

Well, I suppose that does look like most people's idea of SL, doesn't it.

That’s right, Woodbury’s presence in Second Life is, well, not terribly scholarly. In fact, as best as anyone can tell, Woodbury’s mission in Second Life is to pretend to be Soviet in a years-long troll of Prokofy Neva. Over the past few years, Woodbury scholars have bought Prokofy’s virtual land and done their level best to wreck its property values by, well, making it look like the picture above. This is, of course, in addition to the usual garden-variety spamming of particles with goatse pictures painted on them, “raiding” (which in Second Life mostly consists of everyone going to one place and waiting for the server to inevitably crash) and calling Prokofy late at night muttering about cheese or something.

If you’re thinking this has nothing to do with academia, well, in most places you’d be right. However, in Bizarro Planet, one of Second Life’s most prominent resident academics, Peter Ludlow, does his level best to give Woodbury his blessing on his SL ‘newspaper’/blog, the Second Life Herald (now renamed Alphaville Herald after Linden laid down the copyright banhammer). The website is intermittently down at the moment, so I can’t confirm these links to the many, many loving interviews that Ludlow and ‘Pixeleen Mistral’, his editor (and Internet architect in his spare time) give to the various giggling and snorting denizens of Woodbury, each one of which invariably devolves to 4chanisms, self-righteous averrals of “free speech rights” and gleeful tales of “griefing Prok”.  I happened to have had one in my cache, so let me quote liberally:

 

In real life, 'she's' a soldier in Afghanistan.

 

 

 

In the few years I have been playing this game, I have owned and built several sims, started a few businesses, joined in Roleplay, and designed, built, and coded anything I ever dreamed of bringing to life on screen (lol Ravenglass Fridge). I am both a W-Hat goon and a Woodbury Channer…I believe that in order to enjoy SL you have to do whatever makes you happy, and I pick and choose my life accordingly.

 

I recently donated my sim Longcat as a sandbox/e-home locale for the members of the awesome Woodbury university…of which I have many connections with in RL, I know many of the educators (its summer rite nao) on the project personally and have been delighted in the changes and direction Woodbury has been moving in lately…Its always exciting to be a part of something as unique and pioneering as WU, especially during these web 2.0 times. (like so meta)

I also wanted to say that I am about to Leave SL until early November. RL responsibility will take me away from ANY contact with a computer (or cell phone)…and I know that when I return, the crazy world we all inhabit will be here waiting for me, somewhere in the wires…a place with Witness X baaawwwring at whatever is fresh and young, Prokofy playing the SL Ann Coulter, Intlibber/Ansche, and the landbarons buying and selling dreamworlds, Fashionistas blogging, Furries thinking all hoomans hate them, SL armies dividing and fighting, all of the uninformed players complaining that LL doesnt do enough (they obviously do not remember telehubs), What and Woodbury pushing the envelope of good taste, and Everyone on the outside looking in, wishing that they knew WHAT THE F**K is going on and how to cash in on it.

The accompanying picture is of the aforementioned “Ravenglass Fridge”, a huge box refrigerator this charming soul built on a chunk of land on the same server as Prokofy Neva, to try to drive Neva’s rental customers away.

You might think that there might be something interesting to be drawn from the perpetual cycle of griefer and griefed, with neither budging an inch over literally years, and the rhetoric on both sides becoming more and more arcanely obtuse to anyone not following along. The usually more clueful Henry Jenkins, for example, recently wrote an article about the whole subject which managed to mangle almost every fact involved. (The fact that Ludlow and Mistral, the same writers who give loving coverage of Woodbury’s every online burp, were his online tourguides when researching the story is, I’m sure, only a coincidence.)

 

 

Woodbury University's online presence, edifying all who come near (until they crash)

Among other things, there is the nagging question of why a university would pay a not-insignificant (to the tune of several thousand dollars)  monthly fee to support its “students” (most of whom were long since past their halcyon college youth and have no affiliation to the real-world incarnation of Woodbury whatsoever) in learning about new media via the artifice of tormenting a particularly grouchy virtual landlord. One suspects that Dr. Edward Clift, better known in Second Life as “MC Fizgig”, may not have been completely serious about the whole enterprise.

Here is Dr. Clift in response to Woodbury’s online presence being accused of, well, doing what they did.

 

Edward Clift, when not emitting particles in virtuality

Woodbury University is a minority-serving institution whose students are often relegated to the margins or unjustly castigated as troublemakers. The fact that Linden Labs waves Terms of Service violations around with no details or supporting evidence reminds me of the Salem Witch Hunt Trials. If people come to an educational island, they seem to say, then we know you are guilty! Let’s burn you at the stake! Look, one of the 11,000 daily visitors wrote a nasty script… Let’s turn their island to grey goo! The truth is we worked diligently to institute a security force including members of the Justice League in an effort to keep problems in check. There was never any communication from Linden until the disconnection as to whether they thought we were doing a good job or not and certainly no chance to take corrective measures in any kind of cooperative fashion.

The faculty here believes in its students and the positive differences they can make in society. I’m not going to turn away students because they don’t meet Linden Lab’s dress code or because they speak with a Spanish rather than English accent. More importantly, I’m not going to let Linden Labs dictate how students should be educated or what they should be allowed to know. The destruction of the Woodbury 2.0 campus is, in my view, an egregious shot across the bow of academia. All institutions of higher education are now put on notice that they better not do anything too ambitious or “enlightening” unless they want to risk being shunned and eventually expelled from the Holy Grid.

 

Universities should be made aware that Linden Labs maintains global surveillance on all the activities of their student members and monitors them both on campus and off-site. You will never see this tracking data but you will be held accountable for everything they say or do. Monitors at Linden Labs, by the way, will draw their own conclusions as to the meaning of any speech artifacts, scripts, or student activities. Power over the grid and possession of the surveillance tapes automatically makes them right and it is nearly impossible to dispute incorrect or arbitrary determinations. Meanwhile, the venture capitalists behind SL sit on their yachts off the coast of Panama enjoying the spectacle of hapless academics begging not to be expelled (so much for tenure!).

I urged my student group to engage the primum materium of SL and not simply recreate the traditional ivy-covered buildings and chalkboard lecture hall classroom found elsewhere. The invisible “matter” of SL is the creation and interaction of alters and apparently we were the first to study and creatively experiment with these social relationships in an educational setting. Such an approach, as we have seen, can potentially antagonize the owners of a media channel seeking to naturalize its own operations. The Terms of Service agreement used to vaporize our campus is a distraction designed to hide the insufficiency of the technical architecture of Second Life itself. Isn’t it time to stop blaming the customer?

A lot of words come to mind reading this, such as, say “self-absorbed” or perhaps “sociopathic”. Clift, of course, is capable of speaking normal human as well as academia word-salad, as this interview from his presumably more serious day job shows:

The dangers of poor communication do not end at the door of the company. Huge external risks face all organizations, but especially those operating on a global stage. These include natural disasters, forced changes in ownership or management, powerful stakeholders, ideological challenges and direct attack.

 

Strategic communication dictates that any business become conscious of these potential perturbations to its viability. It should then use its observations to strategically design a robust set of internal and external communication practices.

Hm. Come to think of it, I’m not sure what interview is worse.

 

There’s a history of academics behaving badly, and in that case too, one wonders how much of this is simply a young professor seeking to justify his own online gaming habits and manage somehow to get paid for them in the bargain. Or perhaps I’m being a bit too cynical. After all, I’m sure much was learned by the online denizens of Woodbury University, such as the finer points of setting giant phalluses free to waft along the wind, that they never would have encountered elsewhere were it not for Clift’s hands-on and caring intervention.

There’s also the natural desire of many academics, such as in Jenkins’ piece, to try to draw parallels between nascent group behavior online and how it relates to group dynamics in the real world. However, as Jenkins’ writing admirably demonstrates, a Gorillas-in-the-Mist style travelogue only serves to enshrine the Mary Sue-style bad roleplay of all the participants (such as “the Justice League United”, a group of people who roleplay crimefighting superheroes and tangled with Woodbury’s supervillains briefly, including such antics as leaking private wikis and message boards by the artifice of appearing to be a cute girl. You know, the sort of thing that happens in pretty much every online game since MUDs.)

But really, in the end, there isn’t a lot of deep hidden meanings to be drawn – a group of teenage kids, or more accurately people roleplaying teenaged kids, acted like jacktards. And in virtual worlds, what happens to jacktards?

That’s right, folks, even in the libertarian-stupid world of Second Life, you can eventually get banned. And so Woodbury finally did, en masse. No one knows what the final straw was. My guess is that someone in Second Life’s customer service finally got very, very, very tired of yet another one of these “raids” where the “elite hax0rz” spam particles until either the land owner kicks them or everyone is lagged offline. Or maybe they really did get sick of Prokofy Neva’s 97,003,582nd email on the subject (although one suspects they are quite used to those by this point). But I doubt that – proper customer service is a constant, and it doesn’t matter how tendentious the wronged party is, if in fact they are wronged. And only the most drug-addled academic or clueless mainstream reporter would believe otherwise.

Let’s bring in the addled academics and clueless reporters, then!

In an interview today with The Chronicle, Mr. Clift said the university had never encouraged or condoned vandalism. Its virtual campus included educational spaces designed mostly by students, including a mock representation of the former Soviet Union and a replica of the Berlin Wall. “It was a living, breathing campus in Second Life,” he said.

 

The professor said he felt that the virtual campus did not conform to what Linden Lab wanted a campus to be—with buildings and virtual lecture halls. And, he said, company officials objected to letting any users become affiliated with the virtual campus, whether or not they were enrolled at Woodbury. Mr. Clift said he felt that allowing a diverse group of participants and setting up an open facility was the best fit for the university’s mission.

“Woodbury is sick of this,” he said, referring to the ban. “Our brand is being maligned, and our 125-year mission is being trampled on.”

Jordan Bellino, a senior at Woodbury who had been an organizer of the virtual campus, said the incident suggests the dangers of online meeting spaces’ being run by companies, which get to decide who participates and who doesn’t. “It took years and thousands of dollars to make that [virtual campus] happen,” he said, “and it all vanished in a matter of an hour because Linden Lab pushed a button.”

Yes, Jordan, ‘companies’ shouldn’t run virtual worlds. They should be run by random piles of fish, or perhaps very small cats. Or maybe they should be run by the people who frequent them. But that would take all the fun out of Woodbury, wouldn’t it? After all, without the rest of the metaverse to grief, Woodbury would be left with just themselves, in a virtual chat room full of cacaphonic Soviet fetish porn.

 

I’m sure the below screed by Jordan Bellino, in his persona as “Tizzers Foxchase”, head of Woodbury’s proto-Soviet online presence, which originally appeared at Woodbury’s website (no, not the respectable one, the other one) but since has been deleted would have nothing whatsoever to do with the above news story:

Dr. Clift is currently fueling the jets of his legal team, and they will be contacting Linden Lab soon. In the meantime I will be busy waging a media campaign. They might have nuked our little virtual playground, but that doesn’t mean we’re going away. Woodbury will be a thorn in the side of Linden Lab until the day they close their doors.

 

We are also contacting the ACLU.

I’m sure they’d be vastly, vastly amused to defend the civil rights of spoiled children and middle aged men pretending to be pixies to harrass other spoiled children and middle aged men pretending to be pixies. Oh, wait, probably not.

Claiming that his First Amendment right to free speech had been infringed upon, the banned player had been asking for pain and suffering damages, as well as an injunction preventing Sony from banning other players in the game. Last week, a district court judge dismissed the case, saying that with few exceptions, the First Amendment protects people only from having their right to free speech violated by the government, not from private companies.

So, alas, the civil rights of Woodbury students to construct interesting and valuable SomethingAwful memes such as below on the University’s dollar may have finally come to an abrupt end.

 

 

See, you just don't get it, do you.

But one thing is definitely true in all of the online Woodbury’s public relations campaigning:

 

Woodbury is sick of this. Our brand is being maligned, and our 125-year mission is being trampled on.

Yes, on that I think everyone can agree.

  • http://ctrlclick.com Joshua Meadows

    Lum, I less-than-three you.

  • http://www.opensourcedesigner.org DrewC

    Second Life, the gift that keeps on giving. Just like Herpes.

  • VPellen

    Isn’t second life dead yet?

    I really need to get it together.

  • Not One Of Us

    Incredible.

  • http://stabbedup.blogspot.com/ Stabs

    Am I alone in thinking most of this is really rather boring?

    Not you, Lum, but these great walls of text justifying griefing or defending griefing.

    It is taking ten thousand words to say “u suk!”, “no, u!”

    I am experiencing a potential perturbation as to its viability as entertainment.

  • Truth

    Everyone knows from WU that they were set up by the Justice League Unlimited.

  • yunk

    I like this line:
    Linden Labs maintains global surveillance

    Next in the news: LL keeps logs.

  • TPRJones

    Great. The community college I work at started a project to create a SL virtual campus in 2007. Current projections are that that project will be ready for the public by 2012. I’ll be sure to forward them this story.

  • JuJutsu

    zzzz

  • Vetarnias

    Amazing. I wonder if this hasn’t all been hatched in one of those English classes (or any department which still gives any credence to that highfalutin’ Marxist rhetoric), as yet another experiment on how to grief people just for the sake of a psychological study.

    I’m not saying there isn’t something worth studying academically in Second Life, but that it’s turned into worthless material when you take an active part in it. It’s like that previous case of the griefing professor in City of Heroes: “Oh, I’ll behave like a prick to see how it goes”. At best, it’s what a couple of college students plan to do for a term paper, in cultural studies or whatever.

    But it isn’t just a couple of college students, or one professor, or even one department, but the entire university. And I don’t even know if there is any underlying reason for their SL “campus” in the first place, except as an excuse to frame themselves as a victim of political correctness and capitalism. From reading all those comments at the Chronicle of Higher Education and elsewhere, that “campus” seems to have had little to no educational value (least of all about the Soviet Union), and not much promotional value for what ought to have mattered, the bricks-and-mortar institution.

    I wonder what the trustees think of this.

  • Jenks

    I don’t understand SL, nor do I care to.

  • http://www.onlinegamers.org Rasputin

    What the hell is Second Life?

  • Aufero

    People act like assholes online, news at 11.

  • Metzger

    Come on and admit it Lum, you only posted this article because it references Prokofy Neva. You are secretly hoping for Prokofy Neva to post here again, and then for Derek Smart to post again. With the resulting flame war resembling a matter/antimatter explosion.

  • Brask Mumei

    I wish it were so innocuous, Metzger. I fear instead he is playing matchmaker, trying to set the two up, hoping for the bastard love-child that will bring the prophesied End of the Internet in 2025.

  • http://chrome.blogspot.com Chrome

    SL makes me want to die. SL articles make me want to gouge my eyes out with a spoon.

    Please, do not write about SL. For the children.

  • Octopaganini

    Come on and admit it Lum, you only posted this article because it references Prokofy Neva.You are secretly hoping for Prokofy Neva to post here again, and then for Derek Smart to post again.With the resulting flame war resembling a matter/antimatter explosion.

     

    Metzger, said explosion could never occur because neither of them matter, anti or otherwise.

  • dartwick

    I appreciate good griefing to make a mockery of virtual worlds more than most(all real societies are predicated on the individuals ability to do personal violence.)
    But to be honest its hard to appreciate or even mock anything in “Second Life”.  Its much like “string theory” -  it seems cool and complex until you realize that its just a random hodgepodge of ideas that dont fit, just held together with hope.
     

  • http://geldonsgaming.blogspot.com geldonyetich

    Honestly, I consider the greatest depravity ever to climb out of /b/ as an improvement over the average Second Life content.
    So, hey, Second Life uplifted via University Intervention equals 4Chan.  I’ll buy that.

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  • Gx1080

    Such overblown amount of text for justifying being a prick.
    If you are going to be a prick, don’t be a pussy and rationalize it. Embrace that you do it because it feels good.
    Although being a pussy seems to be the standard in academia lately.

  • http://tagn.wordpress.com/ wilhelm2451

    To really be a dynamic, break-out controversy I think Dr. Clift needs some coaching from Derek Smart.  Maybe they could exchange the coaching for an honorary degree or some such.

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  • http://secondthoughts.typepad.com Prokofy Neva

    This is a fairly accurate piece, but as usual, you try to make me into a caricature of my actual self by portraying me as some crazy cat lady writing 92,000 emails to Linden Lab, someone not even with as much dignity as Piggy in Lord of the Flies, whose glasses were first broken by the mean mob, before he was ultimately murdered — but a Piggy who rewrites the story so he is not murdered and the bad boys are brought to justice. Just by waiting four years and persistently writing not 92,000 emails, but one documented abuse report after another, each time all of these liars were actually caught violating the TOS, each time they tried repetitive “under-the-radar” griefing, but which with enough reports, you could make the case for stalking (like Joanna Falmer/Joanna Gant/Tizzy Teardrop, whom I assiduously AR’d for stalking me, showing up on sims where I was using the third-party rogue viewers to god-mode stalk, I guess, or just checking enough haunts, and event-heckling, and flying around in a Soviet uniform just claiming he was “watching youtubes,” then logging off for a few minutes before an alt crashed the sim or sent the goatse flying. All you had to do was stand on the Ravenglass sim long enough — four years was about enough, I guess — and you could catch each one of these people doing *something* — and finally the lib Lindens had to call it.
    But as I’ve said, it wasn’t the JLU, it wasn’t just my assiduous regular reports, it was something else. Some missing piece. Maybe related to Emerald, maybe related to a desire by Emerald to kill Woodbury for some reason of settling a score:
    http://secondthoughts.typepad.com/second_thoughts/2010/04/the-con-text-the-shoe-not-dropping-yet-on-woodbury-ban.html
    You’ve got all the word-salading Marxist professors down pat, and you bring in the rich knowledge of the butthurt injured-but-not-innocent griefers behaving as they always do. You even rightly call Ludlow and Jenkins, the  Derrida deconstructors of text and context blah blah for making false analogies with Bush.
    But then you tendentiously portray me as somehow being unintelligent enough to compare griefers to the Taliban, as if I said without any sense of scope that they are “alike”. You wrench my quote from context on Second Citizen as if I haven’t carefully set up an explanation of how one *must reason by analogy* and while different in scale and actual killing of people (duh!), how terrorists operate from some of the same dynamics as griefers, and how in the safe environment of the virtual world petri dish where no one is actually killed, this is something more should take the opportunity to study and analyze rather than discounting. That’s the answer I gave on the Chronicle website.
    You ridicule me and always exaggerate everything about me for the simple reason that a) I’m female in real life b) I’m transgendered and that bothers you in SL and c) I’m *as smart* or *smarter* than you, which really infuriates you.
    Grow up, Lum. You’re ridiculous. You should have taken my side long ago instead of being such an asstard. Only your gamerz sexist pride makes you do that.
    And where were you with this wonderful inciteful critique of Marxist academics, which you give here without mentioning the M-word so you “don’t sound like Prokofy” — when it game to to Richard Bartle’s socialism? You couldn’t bear to apply the same notion to him, eh? Was it the British accent? Or the fact that he is a game god and these others are just silly academics?
     
     

  • Zuzax

    Metzger: Come on and admit it Lum, you only posted this article because it references Prokofy Neva.You are secretly hoping for Prokofy Neva to post here again, and then for Derek Smart to post again.With the resulting flame war resembling a matter/antimatter explosion.

     
    Lum is trying to get them together to summon Gozer the Traveler in one of the prechosen forms. I’m hoping for the giant Slor.

  • Scott Jennings

    You ridicule me and always exaggerate everything about me for the simple reason that a) I’m female in real life b) I’m transgendered and that bothers you in SL and c) I’m *as smart* or *smarter* than you, which really infuriates you.

    *blinks twice slowly*

    No, I exaggerate everything about you because it makes for amusing writing, much as I exaggerate everything about everything else.

    I have no problem with females in RL, people who switch genders in SL (or RL), or intelligent people anywhere. I *do* occasionally have problems with people who are as obviously intelligent as you are having no percievable sense of scale whatsoever.

    Regardless, you were the injured party here, and I think I rather communicated that with a minimum of hyperbole. My apologies if you think otherwise.

  • http://lalotelling.blogspot.com/ Lalo Telling

    ‘Tis a tale told about idiots, full of sound and fury, and signifying nothing.

  • ToeJob

    I’ve never played SL and I don’t think I will but I just don’t get it.  Is it all just digital drama?

  • Wendy Bouchard

    I thought I was smarter than Lum until i saw him use the word averrals in a sentence.
    “self-righteous averrals of “free speech rights” and gleeful tales of “griefing Prok”.  I happened to have had one in my cache, so let me quote liberally:”

  • Please

    I’m still wondering if Neva’s tendentiously assiduous reports were tendentious, assiduous, or both.
    You’ve summoned two in a week Lum.  Please stop.

  • http://secondthoughts.typepad.com Prokofy Neva

    *Doesn’t blink*
    Um, your hyperbole always tends to harass me, and exonerate griefers in the end, by making me seem like a pompous and naive fool unaware of the scale of differences between real-life terrorism or communism and the antics of spoiled cynical youths in online games. Who’s pompous here, Lum, the self-referential and self-justifying attention-seeking pranksters and their radical chic backers among aging hippie Marxist academia? Or somebody who simply exposes them in the ir blog occasionally and condemns them for the immorality and illegality they represent? Your own cynicism overtakes the moral approach every time. You own zeal to expose what you see as my “lack of scale” prevents you from a real condemnation every time.
    I realize you have a game god blog to run here, where your street cred depends on you constantly maintaining the pose of the hardened, brutal hacker wise to the ways of the virtual world.
    But you’re simply stating falsehoods when you write:  “I *do* occasionally have problems with people who are as obviously intelligent as you are having no percievable sense of scale whatsoever.”
    Pro tip: i before e, except after c, or when sounded like “a” as in “neighbour” or “weigh”
    Of course I have a sense of scale. Each time I write about these problems, I write about how to *reason by analogy* or make comparisons, you know, like similes or metaphors. Did you ever take a literature class in your entire geek life, Lum? Do you understand what it is to analyze phenomena that have structural similarities or similar dynamics even if their contexts and realities and scale and magnitude are very different, to try to find patterns? Maybe you need at least to sit in on one of the word-salad sessions of these eggheads to grasp at least that much.
    You’re also never really getting it about how value works because you don’t run a business in Second Life. You don’t see what it means to lose actual money from down time due to sim crashing, tenants fleeing when dead chickens and goatse textures are scattered on their lawn, etc.
    It has not been uncommon in these last four years to have people who have paid up $25-35 US in advance for the month for a waterfront rentals to abruptly hit the “refund” button after some jerk arrives in their living room with a giant dick and the tub girl particles go showering everywhere. That really starts to add up after awhile. I’ve revised the business model on that sim a half dozen times to try to cope with and compensate for the griefing, I refuse to be driven from land I bought at auction in 2004 at a good price, and on which I have builds I’ve paid professioner 3D builders to make. Yes, I realize I purchased a limited license to access content blah blah.

  • Brask Mumei

    “Pro tip: i before e, except after c, or when sounded like “a” as in “neighbour” or “weigh””

    English is weird.

  • Scott Jennings

    Prokofy Neva:

    Um, your hyperbole always tends to harass me, and exonerate griefers in the end, by making me seem like a pompous and naive fool unaware of the scale of differences between real-life terrorism or communism and the antics of spoiled cynical youths in online games.

     

    Yes, clearly I can’t understand why I wouldn’t take your side in these things (except when I do, which apparently does not count since I had insufficient ardor for finding Bolsheviks under the covers or something). After all, you’re so goshdarned likeable and reasonable.

    (pro-tip: not everyone who exhibits signs of stupidity is a Communist, even in academia.)

  • JesusLumWTF

    2 things:
    1. Why would you give Neva another opportunity to blow in with his/her/its self-righteous grandstanding bullshit? Everyone knows how this is going to play out, and frankly it’s tiresome.
    2. Academia is a different world.  It’s fallacious for Linden Labs to court higher ed institutions and then refuse to allow academic freedom.  “Sure, we want your money, but we want you to tell your students they have to play by our rules.”
    Second Life is not real.  They’re not taking a dump on your lawn–their bunch of pixels is taking a dump on your bunch of pixels.  This kind of non-story is the worst kind of fluff filler by self-important a-holes to pump their ego and make them feel relevant.

  • Axecleaver

    Mmm, word salad. Content free so I can eat it all day and never gain weight. Nice, thorough post Lum, good job.

  • Scott Jennings

    JesusLumWTF:

    Why would you give Neva another opportunity to blow in with his/her/its self-righteous grandstanding bullshit?

     

    Same reason anyone else can post comments here.

  • Vetarnias

     

    JesusLumWTF: Academia is a different world.  It’s fallacious for Linden Labs to court higher ed institutions and then refuse to allow academic freedom.  “Sure, we want your money, but we want you to tell your students they have to play by our rules.”

     
     
    Question: Does it seem to you that what Woodbury did in Second Life isn’t even remotely academic? That’s the impression I get; and if it is, the links are tenuous. All that talk of Second Life being run by evil capitalists, etc., is a smokescreen.
    It’s like a bunch of Harvard professors setting fire to a residential district in Boston, ostensibly for conducting a study of, well, something, anything (fire department response rates, for example), while you get the nagging impression that they really enjoy starting fires and couldn’t care less about anything else.
    Speaking of academic weirdness, have you read about that ongoing British case where a history professor was accused of making anonymous disparaging comments of other books in his field on Amazon, as well as, oh, winners of prizes for which he was shortlisted? When another historian started raising questions publicly, the first historian threatened to sue (this being Britain), until his lawyer finally made a statement: “My client didn’t write those reviews; his wife did.”  And today, we get the revelation that it was the historian, not his wife, who actually wrote them.

  • JuJutsu

    Scott Jennings:
     
    Same reason anyone else can post comments here.

     
    Please provoke Derek Smart into posting again. He’s much less annoying.

  • Prokofy Neva

    1. I am likeable and reasonable, and your continued posturing that I’m not is some kind of boyish gamerz posturing. Grow up.
    2. I don’t say there are communist under every bed, but I do say there is a giant communist flag on the entire map of my sim (finally gone now). Difference. And I note some of the Leninist tactics that are similar in type, not scale.
    3. You’re wrong about these academics not being Marxist/communist. They don’t have to say they are or publicly affiliate with some actual Party to be properly labelled as drawing their economic determinism and other Marxian memes deeply from the well of the master.
    This is not as interesting an argument to have as the problem of Richard Bartle so give up.

  • Scott Jennings

    Consider my up given!

  • http://www.mud.co.uk/richard Richard Bartle

    Just for those of you coming to this late, who may have trouble sorting the fact from the fiction in Prokofy Neva’s posts, I’m not a Marxist but she’s somehow got it into her head that I am. Consequently, whenever she sees the words  “Marx” and “virtual world” in the same context, I get name-checked. She also mistakenly thinks I’m anti-American, just in case you see that presented as gospel sometime.
    I apologise for possibly throwing a can of aviation fuel on a spark here, but I thought I’d mention it lest anyone new to Prok takes her opinion as fact.
    Richard
     

  • JuJutsu

    “Just for those of you coming to this late, who may have trouble sorting the fact from the fiction in Prokofy Neva’s posts…”
    I’ve given up reading any missives from Neva Neva land. Any facts that might be buried there aren’t worth the trouble to find.

  • Vetarnias

    Excuse me for asking an obvious question, but Who’s Prokofy Neva?

  • Gx1080

    @Vetarnias
    http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Prokofy_Neva
    You are welcome.
    “I am likeable and reasonable”
    No you aren’t.

  • Vetarnias

    @ Gx1080
    I was merely being rhetorical. But thanks anyway.

  • Prokofy Neva

    Richard, dear, we’ve been over this before. I realize you are “not a Marxist” in the sense that you belong to a Marxist club in your neighbourhood or belong to the Communist Party chapters in the UK. But you *are* a Marxist when you attack the sale of land in virtual worlds and demand that they be held as socialized property and made available freely to the masses. You *are* a Marxist when you hate on game gold farmers as an aberration and a killjob to the game. You *are* a Marxist in many of your values and cultural outlooks and demands for how games should ‘level the playing field’ and not let the rich or wealthy win, but only those you think are socially deserving. We’ve been over all this before. You could vote Tory, and still have these Marxist memes. But you don’t vote Tory, do you? Say, how are those Lib Dems doing? They look promising. Will you vote for them? Or will it once again be Labour, Richard?

  • hitnrun

    JesusLumWTF: 2 things: 2. Academia is a different world.  It’s fallacious for Linden Labs to court higher ed institutions and then refuse to allow academic freedom.  “Sure, we want your money, but we want you to tell your students they have to play by our rules.”

     

  • hitnrun

    @me, above: sigh
    @JesusLumWTF: That’s fine as far as it goes. But if that…thing is covered under “academic freedom,” then the term has no meaning whatsoever.

  • Guy

    Ahh, I love the Encyclopedia Dramatica.

  • Vetarnias

    @hitnrun
    There’s a lot of BS passing as academic work these days. Apparently they haven’t learned a thing from this <a href=”http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokal_affair”>little controversy</a> that should have made them ask themselves: “How can we restore our lost credibility?”  But no, this being the academic world, it’s “circle the wagons, and continue as before”.