
Farethewell, John Deere Tractors Online, we barely knew ye. (John Deere Tractors Online is what we jokingly told people we were working on. Because, hey, tractors.)
So, I’m unemployed today.
Lots of games never ship. I’ve worked on two now. Suffice to say that it is getting old.
I don’t really want to talk too much here about my last project. As a condition of my severance I can’t discuss a great deal, and anything I say here will most likely be picked up by the MMO news sites (wave, wave!). Plus I’m still a bit sore since I think what we were working on was pretty damned cool (if nothing else, it was *nothing* like World of Warcraft) and I’m a sad panda that it won’t make it out the door.
This is also the first time in almost a decade that I don’t have something already queued up and ready to go the day I pick up my severance package. Which, given today’s climate, is KINDA FRIGHTENING, YOU KNOW? I have some possibilities (most of which involve our entire team – having the proven ability to come up with a client/server MMO prototype in 6 months is Kinda A Big Deal) but nothing definite.
Today I get to file for unemployment, for… um… pretty much the first time, ever.
Whee.
So, tomorrow, I’ll get back to snarky Youtube videos, promise.
about 10 months ago
That means you get to devote more time to your blog, right right?
about 10 months ago
Sad to hear this Lum. I’m sure you’ll be picked up again soon, though. Best of luck!
about 10 months ago
Bring em on! I love snarky youtube videos.
about 10 months ago
I thought it was The Last StarFighter online? Anyway, sorry about the layoff, Good Luck with your job hunt.
about 10 months ago
I’m sorry Lum. Getting laid off sucks. I hope you find something better soon.
about 10 months ago
Sorry to hear that, Scott. I myself got laid off in the 20% headcount reduction Sulake just went through. Community tends to be the first to be gutted. Filing for unemployment has never been more fun, so be sure to get an early start! A tip for those on the West Coast – the California Unemployment offices took a page from the classic “Zork Grand Inquisitor” Hades Courtesy Shuttle Phone when designing their automated phone tree system. It pulls out every cruel stop imaginable, and does everything short of calling your mother names. Highly recommended if you’ve suddenly found yourself with a lot of free time on your hands.
about 10 months ago
Sorry to hear. I ran into you and several people who were working at your studio a month or so ago, and it sounded like things were going well. Shame too, I was curious to find out what you guys were working on!
For now, I offer you, and everyone else from over there, the best of luck.
about 10 months ago
As much as I love the snarky YouTube videos, I was looking forward to your project much more.
Sorry to hear you’re now amongst the underemployed. Here’s to me hoping you land on your feet quickly.
about 10 months ago
Enjoy it, seriously. After Mythic laid me off, I realized I hadn’t had time to truly decompress in years. It was a great time.
about 10 months ago
Welcome to the masses… I’ve been on the hunt since April, but you have a bit more weight than I do so I’m sure you’ll move on to something else soon enough… but in the meantime… Beer?
about 10 months ago
Best of luck, Lum, sorry to hear about the news.
about 10 months ago
Welcome back to the club. Stale donuts are in the living room. Today, we’re studying Perry Mason reruns and comparing and contrasting drywall patterns. But there’s signs things will pick up soon…
about 10 months ago
Dude.
Best of luck, sincerely. That’s a heck of a bummer.
about 10 months ago
Something we’re hearing from industry friends way to often these days. Best wishes in a speedy reemployment (if you so desire) and hopefully you can take some time to relax before hitting the timber again.
about 10 months ago
You got paid to stay quiet about a game that will never see the light of day?
I can’t fathom why that’s necessary, but I hope the money was worth it.
about 10 months ago
Ouch. Sorry to hear that things didn’t work out, all the more so because you felt it had something going for it. Best of luck out there.
Looking at that picture I keep thinking “Free Tractor Ride for 3!”
about 10 months ago
I am sure you will get snapped up quickly. I hope so.
about 10 months ago
Hi!
Get into Turbine!
That’s the MMO developer with the highest potential now, I guess. Very innovative, and their plans actually work!
I’d like to see you developing for D&D Online ; ). I think it’s at least worth thinking about, they seem to be constantly looking for talented people, maybe even whole teams too.
Take care, and best of luck!
about 10 months ago
Sorry to hear it.
Seriously consider interviewing in Montreal. Cold winters, true, but a great, great city, and it’s where all game development in north america is headed.
about 10 months ago
Ugh that sucks man. Here’s hoping that you land on your feet quickly, though as was mentioned above I also hope that you get a brief time to relax and decompress as well.
Sorry to hear, also, that Hannah Montana Online: The Porn years will never see the light of day.
about 10 months ago
Best of Luck, Scott.
about 10 months ago
Very sorry Scott — hope you hear from someone soon. All the best.
about 10 months ago
Don’t worry too much. When I got laid off I was rather depressed, it was 2001 when the tech industry got crushed hard. So I went for a masters degree, and looking back it was a fun time, with different fast food restaurants, dollar movies, all close to where I live. The only thing that bring me down from time to time is that I was unemployed at the time.
about 10 months ago
Ugh, not you too. This is totally sucky. =(
about 10 months ago
Sorry to hear that Scott, I am sure you will get something soon.
about 10 months ago
Dang man, sorry to hear that. Won’t patronize you with some slogan, so I’ll just say stick in there. I’ve often found in my own life that one door closing tends to open another somewhere else.
about 10 months ago
Define “client/server MMO prototype” please.
about 10 months ago
Sorry to welcome you in this sadly growing club
. Best of luck with the job hunt, and try to look at the bright side of this (I know, I know, I’m not good at it either) – you really find time for stuff you’ve put off for years, now manage to find the *motivation* for it too and you’re all set
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about 10 months ago
about 10 months ago
Doh, sorry dude
If it’s on consolation, if I ever win the Euro Millions, I’d hire you and your team to make The Most Awesome MMORPG Ever!
about 10 months ago
That sucks. Have you tried asking Cryptic – they should be in the market for a designer with a clue about PvP design?
about 10 months ago
Well that photo suckered me for sure. My first thought was “Hell, he is throwing in the towel and is going to farm organic beets in the hills of northern California”
Best of luck, I am confident you will land on two feet.
about 10 months ago
That sucks Lum. I hope you get something going soon.
about 10 months ago
Sorry to hear that Scott. I’m not sure if you’re looking to stay in Austin, but there are lots of places recruiting lately up here in the bay.
I know Vigil is looking for a system designer for the 40k MMO, and I believe that’s in your neck of the woods.
about 10 months ago
I hope you will soon get a better job and that you can create a game that does not only earn you money, but will fill you with pride to have been part of the team.
about 10 months ago
Please send Bioware your resume. I want SWTOR to be an utterly fantastic game. So want that!
about 10 months ago
Sorry to hear, Scott. I know what it’s like to be running full-steam on a project only to get the rug pulled out from under you. In my case it was the company owners selling the company to Ubisoft and not keeping a license to work on the MMO we were making. *sigh* People just don’t understand how hard it is to keep a project that isn’t a WoW clone going.
Drop me a line if you need anything, Scott. I don’t have any cherry jobs lined up, but perhaps I know someone who could use your skills.
about 10 months ago
Very sorry to hear.
I hope someone steps in and rescues the project as has occasionally happened in the industry before. I’m sure what you were working on deserves to be made. I know I’d love to try it.
about 10 months ago
Wow Scott, sorry to hear the news. Like several others on here my game company said sayonara to me a few weeks back. Recession sucks. You have a ton of talent though, so I expect you won’t collect too many of those unemployment checks. In the mean time, make us happy and blog more!
about 10 months ago
Best of luck Lum. I can’t believe you will be on the shelf for long. I was laid off in June but with a pretty good severance package. Since it was the first time I have had more than a week off at once in 35 years I’ve actually enjoyed it.
about 10 months ago
Sorry to hear that Scott. Hopefully some intelligent developer snaps you up soon!
about 10 months ago
That’s too bad, Lum. Enjoy the break and you’ll be re-employed rapidly. In the mean time, snarky YouTube videos will grant you some solace.
about 10 months ago
That sucks! Try to enjoy your time off, though.
about 10 months ago
Well, in this economy, take what you can get. Normally i wouldn’t condone it, but in this economy, it is totally appropriate to eat your cat. In this economy, you can justify anything with “in this economy.”
Hold out for another great gig, man.
about 10 months ago
If you can delivery a working prototype MMO in six months, you’ll fit right into Cryptic’s production schedule…
about 10 months ago
Wow, that bites, well I truely hope you fined something else that’s good soon.
about 10 months ago
I hope this latest experience does not dampen your interest in working in the games industry. Still, your work on those cancelled projects must appear very futile indeed.
about 10 months ago
Sorry to hear that chap. Something’ll turn up soon, i’m sure =)
about 10 months ago
Balls
Hope you find something soon
about 10 months ago
Bummer. Unfortunately, talent is no indicator of success. Our team also had an MMO prototype done in around 6 months, and a finished product a year later, and went under when our investors got nervous and pulled out. Hopefully you’ll find something soon.
about 10 months ago
FUCK!
Well, borderlands just popped.
about 10 months ago
Man, that sucks, Lum. Good luck landing another killer job, though. I know there have to be companies here hiring. I’m staying in tech support right now, though. Bioware’d be a good option to try for, yes.
about 10 months ago
“Tractors are overpowered.” – Lawnmowers
about 10 months ago
I wish you the best of luck. Sometimes though its for the best.
about 10 months ago
Sorry to hear that, man. I hope you find a new way to make the little green rectangles soon (preferably in time to sock the severance away). Take care.
about 10 months ago
I was thinking of dropping a line on that too. Sort of an interesting ‘current state of MMORPGs’ game, really… it’s not really an MMORPG at all… but with more immersion than most, and with better group play opportunities and loot… exactly what’s the MMORPG benefit again?
about 10 months ago
Damn man, sorry to hear that. Best of luck in your search.
about 10 months ago
Best wishes.
about 10 months ago
Good luck, Lum. At the very least, enjoy your time off.
about 10 months ago
You can always go back to Mythic.
(DO NOT GO BACK TO MYTHIC.)
about 10 months ago
That sucks, Lum- best wishes and good luck. Everytime we all see a barrel filled with water, we think of you. That’s immortality.
about 10 months ago
Sorry to hear this Lum
about 10 months ago
Just tacking on my own “Hope things pick up soon” for you.
about 10 months ago
Good for you Lum, even though it might seem as semi-suckage today. Take this as an opportunity for real rebound, out of the box thinking.
about 10 months ago
Ouch! The ironic thing (to me anyway) is that my girlfriend is currently TRYING to get laid-off from her current gig. Wanna trade? Good people usually find work quickly, so you shouldn’t be out too long.
about 10 months ago
ouch. im sorry to hear that scott. i know you were pretty darn proud of whatever it is you were working on.
about 10 months ago
Trully sorry to hear that, Lum(p) of Mad.
And I was looking forward to playing Hello Kiity Online Island Adventures.
Best of luck to my favorite psychotic.
about 10 months ago
Damn. That just plain sucks. Hope you find another job. Although it sounds like you still have some offers. So good luck in those and in anything that pops.
about 10 months ago
Good luck on your projects!
about 10 months ago
You won’t be unemployed for long IMHO.
BTW, whats wrong with working for Blizzard (and/or WoW)? The great satan has a good dental plan I hear…
about 10 months ago
Much sympathies, hope you get a good bit of ‘time off’ then get the entire team on a new gig.
about 10 months ago
WTB snarky youtube videos!
about 10 months ago
I know it’s not much of a consolation but …
At least your life was not destroyed by Darkfall.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQaMArkki34
about 10 months ago
Have you taken a look at Torchlight?
It’s fun, fairly inexpensive (20 bucks), looks pretty polished, and I expect it will do very well relative to it’s development cost.
I don’t mean take a look at it for something to do with your newly acquired free time. I mean look at it for what could be done by a micro-small team with a plan. There’s still a market for small developers with polished products who believe in their ideas. At this point in your career you have enough name recognition to at least talk to investors.
Even if you don’t want to deal with investors yourself, teaming up with someone who has that as a strong skill is worth thinking about. You’re probably already considering that (as I felt was implied in your post about your team), but if you aren’t you should. It seems like the sort of environment you would enjoy as opposed to just working for another large company and additional layers of bureaucracy.
about 10 months ago
It’s only a recession if you’ve got a job. It’s a depression if you’re unemployeed.
Sorry to hear it Scott. Review all the states you’ve lived in in the last year and a half and file for unemployment in the one with the best Unemployment check.
Also, start looking for a good catastrophic insurance package. With a family you won’t be able to afford COBRA for very long if at all.
Good luck.
about 10 months ago
Sorry to hear you are another victim of The Obama Recession.
That trillion dollar stimulus sure helped!
about 10 months ago
Yes, actually it did. I can actually afford COBRA coverage (one of the parts of the stimulus is the federal government covering 65% of the cost) while looking for a new job.
Thanks for trying to score political points off my misery, though. It really does make me consider your views when voting!
about 10 months ago
Sorry to hear this Lum, game design is truly a segment of the IT sector when it comes to job security. My fear of unemployment is why I ended up working for the government at a job I loath in exchange for a considerable amount of security. I’m sure you’ll have a few phone calls by the end of the week based on your reputation.
about 10 months ago
@Not Richard Garriot: Save your fucking ignorant comments for the next local Sarah Palin rally. You may find people appreciative of your lack of wit there.
As others have stated, Lum, I’m sure you won’t be out of work long. I know it’s easier for me to have that confidence given that I’m not the one who just got laid off, but there it is.
about 10 months ago
Sorry to hear about your news Scott. Hopefully there is a new project out there for you and your team – and soon.
Perhaps even a way to buy your work/code from the current owner so you can continue it elsewhere.
about 10 months ago
@Muckbeast: sadly, that’s not really an option given the circumstances of the project.
about 10 months ago
@ Not Richard Garriot
I may have slept with my fair share of retarded chicks, but at least I didn’t vote for one.
about 10 months ago
The sad thing about people of NotRichardGarriot’s view is they’re apparently unaware that this recession was doing nothing but gaining momentum during the Bush years, while not wasting any time to whine their assess off that it hasn’t stopped yet when our current conductor is doing all he can to ride the breaks.
about 10 months ago
Not trying to be a know it all but I was laid off in 2008 for a month and a half and the COBRA (no government help at the time) was $2,900/month for my wife, four children and me.
They did give me the wonderful option of just COBRA for just one child or just myself or any combination that I could afford.
I went with a catastrophic plan that had a monthly deductible of $1,000 for $250 a month, but it expired in three months and was non-renewable.
I was lucky to get a job right away. Godspeed man.
about 10 months ago
Well, we’re lucky in that we don’t have kids living with us (benefit of being old I suppose!), and that my wife’s medical plan goes open enrollment in a few months so we can switch me over to that if necessary. Our COBRA with the stimulus package is about $300 a month which would be unpleasant but bearable (and as part of my severance my ex-employer is covering that $300 until the end of the year). Without that it’d be unaffordable, even with our savings. So yeah, without the stimulus subsidy it’s mostly a bad joke.
It’d be nice if we had a real national health care plan like every other Western nation, but that’s a separate rant entirely!
about 10 months ago
Well, my guess was that your secret employer was KingsIsle (on their secret project)… but I guess not since they are hiring?
about 10 months ago
@Dan Magaha: Ugh. That stinks.
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I don’t want to hijack the thread too badly, but a huge pet peeve of mine about our industry is the tremendous amount of code, art, animations, design, etc. that is just rotting on some hard drive somewhere (or for Tabula Rasa – floating in space) totally unused and underutilized.
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I understand why companies hoard it, I do. But I hate it. Philosophically, I also do not believe this is what Intellectual Property was all about. This is not “furthering the useful arts” at all when all someone does is stuff it in a vault and never use it.
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When I think of the possible games we would have if companies would sell off unused assets, or even release it into the public domain 5 years after it is unused… *sigh*
about 10 months ago
@Muckbeast There’s more to IP than “furthering the useful arts”. There’s money, which unfortunately factors into the decision Scott and co.’s former employer made.
about 10 months ago
Money ruins a lot in gaming and other arts.
That said, all that “tremendous amount of code, art, animations, design, etc” isn’t exactly something you’d want to give away if it were in your position. You’d probably gone through quite a bit of blood, sweat, and tears to make the damn thing (not to mention what you put others through). Why would you give it to somebody else to make money off of without paying you a dime?
Basically, those properties sit in their possession hoping that some investor would come along and say, “hey, I know that thingy was a collosal failure for you guys, but tell you what, I’ll buy it from you for a tremendous amount you can use to recoup your losses in exchange for seeing what I can do with it.”
about 10 months ago
As a note, it is my understanding you can wait till you actually need the Cobra insurance and then pay the back dues before you use it. Perphaps things have changed.
I don’t know about your wife’s insurance, my my wife’s had a enrollment exceptions: New baby, getting married, spouce loosing job. You should at least check if this qualifies as an exception event under her plan.
Best of luck looking for new work!
about 10 months ago
@Cosmik: I was referencing the part of the Constitution that for all intents and purposes, created IP law. Article 1, Section 8: (The Congress shall have power…) … To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries.
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When I read that, I do not interpret that as intending to give people the right to bury things for years, decades, or centuries for no purpose other than preventing anyone else from making use of the work.
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geldonyetich: I am certainly not saying people should just give things away. I am a Capitalist. My point is simply this: it is an absolute tragic waste when companies hoard such works when they have absolutely no intention of using them AND they are totally unwilling to sell them for any reasonable price. I am not calling for any kind of government action here. I am saying I think it is incredibly tragic when companies hoard elements of unfinished or shut down games just because they can.
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I don’t buy the argument that a company would be financially harmed by releasing work into the public domain if they have no intention of EVER using it and no interest in selling it. I actually remember a mech type game many years ago that did this. I still play games to this day that I swear use some of the sound effects they released.
about 10 months ago
One more point: What I think happens in a lot of cases is publishers don’t want to sell the work and watch someone else actually succeed with it. And this is not for financial reasons (the gaming market is NOT a fixed pie) but for pride reasons. If someone else makes the game work, when they couldn’t, then they look incompetent.
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Take Tabula Rasa for example. What if someone was willing to buy all the source code and rights to the game for a couple million bucks. That’s actually a pretty good deal for NCSoft if they truly have ZERO intention of ever releasing the game or using its assets.
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I think the reason NCSoft would not do the deal has less to do with money and more to do with pride. If that company does better with TR than NCSoft did, they have to face the fact that they are pretty might the Asian EA when it comes to utter MMO failures (Tabula Rasa, Auto Assault, Dungeon Runners, etc.).
about 10 months ago
Sorry to hear that man, hope you find something soon.
about 10 months ago
And I was explaining why there’s more to it than “just because they can.”
about 10 months ago
> And I was explaining why there’s more to it than “just
> because they can.”
And I am saying that those “more” reasons you mention are not always present. In fact, they very often are not, and that’s an example of our IP laws being used for a very unintended purpose.
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Further, some of those “more” reasons do not benefit the market or nation as a whole, and are thus not compatible with the initial reason for IP laws.
about 10 months ago
I tend not to insist upon matters of conjecture.
about 10 months ago
@Muckbeast that is a interesting one on IP. There are people who holds patents and asking for more money than others want to pay for and just create a big inconvenience for everyone else, but without IP big company can push the inventor asid with their money.
@Scott I am not a big fan of national health care plan, but I did think about what if I was unemployed. My though is we should be responsible for our own health care, but a disaster out of no where should not make us bankrupt. I think it will be best if they make a high deductible government health care plan (i.e $5000/year), and the private insures can take the under $5000 part.
about 10 months ago
@wowpanda: I don’t want you or anyone else to think I am anti-IP laws. I am very pro. I own a small indie game development company. I don’t want my IP to be stolen by a “big guy” either.
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But IP protection was never supposed to be absolute and infinite. The way IP law is developing now is a complete abomination compared to its intended design.
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And just from a general business sense, I think it is a net loss to the industry (and therefore even a loss to the companies doing the hoarding) when companies hoard content they have ZERO intention of ever using.
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As much as many of us dislike the MPAA, RIAA, etc., at least those industries have made an effort to work together for the good of their members. What do we have as game developers? Not much. In the long run, we will need something. We will need to find a way to care more about our industry as a whole while still caring about our own companies.
about 10 months ago
@muckbeast, I didn’t think you are anti-IP, I just thought your post is interesting. IP-laws got its pros and cons, this is real life problem so nothing is prefect.