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And You Thought Derek Smart Would Be The First Game Developer Elected To The Senate
Curt Schilling says why not, Ted Kennedy could do it.
“I don’t have a really good filter,” Schilling said in the interview with NECN. “Actually my first press conference could probably be my last as someone on the political scene, which probably wouldn’t be a bad thing.”
Note to Curt: in politics, “community managers” are called “consultants”.
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about 12 months ago
I lived in Massachusetts during the 2004 World Series, and no matter how grateful Red Sox Nation was for that World Series win, Schilling’s ultra conservative, Bush-and-Iraq-War-Supporting political views were hated even then. I just can’t imagine him getting elected in Mass without a major platform change.
about 12 months ago
“Ah, crap, everybody hates us. How can we keep exploiting politics to line our pockets?”
“We could make a movie star president?”
“Nah, we already did that with Regan, people are starting to catch on.”
“Hmm… how about a baseball player.”
“A baseball player, eh? Hmm, can’t get much more American than that. Lets do it – the public won’t know what hit them.”
about 12 months ago
Well, why not? he can’t do much worse than Elliot Spitzer.
about 12 months ago
@geldonyetich
“A baseball player, eh? Hmm, can’t get much more American than that. Lets do it – the public won’t know what hit them.”
You mean like Fidel Castro?
about 12 months ago
Sorry, it says on page 193, paragraph 5 that the multiclass “Baseball player/Game Developer/Politician” isn’t allowed. Even if he’s not practicing the baseball class, he still has the levels.
about 12 months ago
He could always pay someone to Level Drain him.
Which, I believe in this analogy, would be whatever Mark Penn was hired to do.
about 12 months ago
I think there’s such a backlog of bloodthirsty politicians in Mass whose ambitions have been suffocating under Ted Kennedy’s corpulent rear all these decades that Schilling doesn’t have much of a prayer to emerge from the pack.
Of course, as Boanerges half-notes above, the “pay your dues” approach leads to officials like Eliot Spitzer and Blago.
Sorry Curt. Maybe if you lived in Minnesota.
about 12 months ago
“Sorry Curt. Maybe if you lived in Minnesota.”
Or Canada. Not only are senators appointed (yep, no pesky electioneering) purely on a partisan or celebrity basis, but a hockey coach just made it in. And he also happened to be illiterate until a few years ago.
about 12 months ago
We have a computer games journalist in the parliament, so far it has worked pretty well.
about 12 months ago
“illeterate hockey coach with a dream” has that sort of hokey appeal that it just might have played well in Mass.
And as weird as it sounds I think people tend to grossly overestimate just how deep in liberal politics Mass voters are. They tend to look at the University belt voters and forget about much of Western Mass. This is the state that elected a conservative mormon as governor. I can’t believe that that came out of the Harvard crowd.
about 12 months ago
Actually I was in the “Derek Smart is the first game developer launched into space.” But I guess General Commadore British destroyed that dream. Thanks a lot, jerk.
about 12 months ago
@GTB Amend that to “first game developer launched ONE-WAY into space” and we’ve got something to shoot for…er at?
about 12 months ago
Apparently he’s not eligible to run as a Republican as he’s registered as not belonging to a party which will hurt his chances. However, no matter what an idiot he is, our leading contender right now is Martha Coakley. While she would make an excellent Senator, Massachusetts has a deep vein of sexism and a horrific record on women candidates. The last time we put up a woman for statewide office, we ended up with Mr. Romney, an empty suit who didn’t even live in our state and has since moved out. I would not want to bet on an outcome between “won the world series” and “woman.”
about 12 months ago
@Geldonyetich:
You’ve never heard of Bill Bradley, I suppose.
about 12 months ago
@Iconic
Shoot – you think maybe they’re trying to pad their chances at winning the annual Senator baseball match?
about 12 months ago
About Curt Schilling, I dont know, Hate of Republicans aside(they deserve it, alright, but I try to see beyond it), its just an experiment without risk to see if he can be a politician.
About Derek Smart, I dont know much about him, but any developer that answer bug reports with “my code its perfect” its a douche.
about 12 months ago
Id love to Curt in the senate for a term or 2.
Wheter or not you agree with all his politics he still has the sort of plain sensibilities that most people lose over a life of campaigning.
about 12 months ago
I guess it’s just the idealist in me that wishes politicians represented the best among us (from ANY ideology) and not just “that dude Joe Sixpack will vote for”.
about 12 months ago
I’d worry about the game more, and politics less. Not that running for politics is bad-if anything he’d be better than Chris Dodd, who represents my state and embarasses us all. He has to be better than Jesse Ventura or AL Franken. But its not good to even consider it-he can always run later on, but he can’t always make an MMo after his company tanks and he gets bankrupt.
about 12 months ago
Wouldn’t it be nice to have a senator who actually UNDERSTANDS games to counterbalance all of the “videogames are the root of all evil and I’m going to ban the hell out of them so vote for me to preserve mom and apple pie” crap that gets spewed by the current crop of politicos?
about 12 months ago
It’d be nice if a senator would stand up for games at all, since it’s such an easy political move to push for their regulation for the children. It seems to me that politicians are more concerned with garnering public approval than taking a stand about anything.
about 12 months ago
“It seems to me that politicians are more concerned with garnering public approval than taking a stand about anything.”
Gee willikers, you’d think that they have to convince people to vote for them to keep their jobs or something.
about 12 months ago
That’s one way to look at it. Another way to look at it is that they have to keep their voting base reasonably happy, or they show up with a bunch of torches and pitchforks. Politics sucks not only because of its dishonesty but the necessity of said dishonesty to rule a bunch of ignorant clods who all want to be told things are going their way.
about 12 months ago
I wouldn’t be so sure that the guy is not going to try say that video games are HERESY!!, specially if his new buddies tell him to do it. Although after the fall of Jack Thomson it isn’t the most popular strategy.
That said, Joe Sixpack is as stupid and drunk as usual, so there isn’t much surprise over here.
about 12 months ago
Joe Sixpack actually is smarter and more conscientious than you think. He’s the one running all the auto garages, construction businesses, and other small businesses which actually make money for towns and states. He’s the one who volunteers for all of those things that Joe Computerguy takes for granted, like coaching little league, running food bank drives, or working in the prisons with ex-cons through his church.
It always makes me laugh when a bunch of Joe Computerguys deride them, despite them living in a hermetically sealed bubble with no way of how the world even works, and being totally dependent on them if their car breaks down or they need a plumber or electrician. Most of the bad decisions made in politics are actually made by Joe Computerguys, or even worse, Joe Collegeprofessors. Those are the “ignorant clods” who talk a lot of crap about justice for the poor while their colleges or businesses hire illegal immigrants for pennies on the dollar through a third party staffing situation, or live in gated communities where private security shakes down anyone who is black or hispanic.
Sorry for the rant, but it ticks me off. I have heard more idiotic, politically naive and stupid things come out of the mouth of college professors than joe sixpack types, and yet its always the latter who gets derided.
about 12 months ago
You can tell me how intelligent Joe Sixpack is when he stops falling for Neocon ploys so easily. That’s the real reason we’re ticked off at then. We do acknowledge they’re hard-working cogs that keep this machine we call society running, and we should be grateful for that. However, they’ve been taking in some greasy agents lately, and now we’ve got to deal with a machine so badly gummed up it’s threatening to break down completely. As a cog living on said machine, that’s bound to make you turn a tad agitated.
about 12 months ago
Greasy agents? Like Charles “Tax dodger” Rangel? And gummed up machine like an Obama Whitehouse projecting a 9 Trillion dollar budget deficit BEFORE healthcare reforms hit? Yes, the neocons have got them hoodwinked good. Incidentally, geldon, I think you proved Dblade’s point. You can continue to assume that people on the right are ignorant clods but that simply makes you that which you despise.
about 12 months ago
As a Joe CollegeProfessor myself, I won’t come to their rescue but you’re not going to find many of us living in gated communities. Joe Sixpack didn’t cause the fucked up economic circumstances we’re in; we can than thank all of the smart bankers for that.
about 12 months ago
@Dblade
I’m sorry, but how else I’m going to refer to people that its still falls for the same tricks, believes the same lies and it’s guided for the same prejudices, huh?
I’m sorry, but I can’t defend guys that act like crazed animals every time that the media exaggerates a story.
And who it’s talking about college professors, that have produced shining examples of humanity like Noam Chomsky or The Case of the Misbehaved Professor(Twixt)?
about 12 months ago
Oh, great, now we’ve really entered political territory. At first glance, I sort of agree with Dblade on “Joe Sixpack” not really being that worse than “Joe Computerguy” and “Joe Collegeprofessor”. I’m tempted to frame it slightly differently, though. Joe Sixpack = working-class; Joe Computerguy = middle-class; Joe Collegeprofessor = upper-class (or where Joe Collegeprofessors would rather be if it were left to them).
On a purely economic basis, I belong to the first, although I’m trying to rise above that stereotype, and what I see in Joe Sixpack country is sometimes depressing as hell. The narrow-mindedness of it, etc. But then you keep in mind that Joe Sixpacks have always been treated the same way throughout history: as invisible dirt.
They’ve been kicked in the shins by their so-called betters yet are always expected to say thank you, lest something worse happen to them. Their only effective way to strike back is tied to its large numbers, which immediately gets them a “tyranny of the majority” label, all the while being collectively referred to as “the mob”, “the herd”, “the rabble”. When it’s launched with a set purpose, it can be nigh unstoppable, with countless examples throughout history running well into excess, but there’s something rather hypocritical and self-serving going on when the guy making the case against, say, the French peasantry having the moral right to grab “torches and pitchforks” turns out to be Louis the Sixteenth.
So what you get — and this is a view getting much credence in academic circles — is always Joe Sixpack cast as the oppressor (of minorities, women, or any other convenient “victim” group — and of intellectuals, oh yeah, intellectuals always), and, worse than that, Joe Sixpack as the guy who is to blame for his own predicament. “Didn’t cause the fucked up economic circumstances”, you say? Oh, but they did, academics will say, by being so stubbornly insistent in living above their means. There’s an element of that running in the background of that subprime mortgage crisis (“those people should never have been offered the opportunity to buy a house”), so the reasoning that it was the stupidity of Joe Sixpacks, not the sleazy bankers, which made the crisis happen has been uttered before.
That’s the sort of rhetoric you get to hear when you recycle that old Marxist chestnut of false consciousness (as much as I’d stick it to middle-class complacency, entirely constructed around its superiority to Joe Sixpacks when they’re probably even more deluded) but conveniently drop the part that involves some sort of revolution, this part of Marxism being rather untenable (see “the mob”, “the rabble”). So it’s pretty much: “You have to realize that you are my inferior — then take your proper place.” Fantastic for Joe Sixpack, isn’t it?
about 12 months ago
Hey, the economical crisis was 100% fault of the bankers that borrowed 100k dollars or more to unemployed people, that (obviously) had no way to paying it back, I am not discussing that. They were greedy and stupid, bad combination.
And Marxism its just a way to focus mob anger, the desire of blaming others of the failure of their own country and just plain jealousy into the political agenda of a Warlord.
about 12 months ago
The way I look at it, it’s more like we got a bunch of neoconservatives in charge because they used scare tactics which the Joe Sixpacks were vulnerable to enter power. From their seat of power, the Neocons then engaged in massive tax breaks, reductions of regulations, and other actions which weakened the country in general while mostly favoring the upper class (because this is how neofiscalism/globalization works). Then, the upper class – those greedy bankers – had all the freedom they needed to over-speculate.
about 12 months ago
Globalization isn’t bad for itself, it’s supposed to help the capital circulate to the countries(it helps that the more poor countries are the ones with less inversions).
But when the asshats put a “you got to be this rich to enter the game”(the Braudel crystal bell) it severely damages the small/mid industries, that are the ones supposed to benefit from globalization by having the freedom to specialize and being able to access the modern stock exchange system.
And that’s without mentioning the damage that makes to the country in general when it turns out that the guys at the top can indulge in several illegal activities and the neither the law or the institutions can do jack to them because they have been tailor made to benefit said top class.
about 11 months ago
The problem with the stereotypical “Joe Sixpack” is that he wants, expects, and believes in simple solutions to complex problems. Therefore, people who promise such solutions can play him like a violin, and they can discredit those who attempt to explain the complexity of the problem by accusing them of trying to confuse Joe with highbrow BS. This leads to a situation where politicians (not confined to any one range on the political spectrum) are essentially forced to promise simple but undeliverable solutions to every problem if they want Joe’s vote, and therefore candidates who express a realistic and nuanced view of the issues are at a massive disadvantage.
It doesn’t matter if the solution is to kick all dem furriners out of ‘Merica, or if it’s to have everyone to sit in a circle and hum and visualize world peace — there’s always someone with a simple solution to a complex problem. There’s always a legion of people who will cling to that simple solution, and to the person who proposed it, with religious fervor. There’s always a cadre of the faithful who believe that if it doesn’t work, it’s not because it was unworkable from the beginning; it’s because we didn’t kick hard enough or hum loud enough.
It’s a universal truth that people are suspicious of things they don’t understand; it’s human nature. The less educated someone is — and the profile of Joe Sixpack usually involves only a high school education or less — the more things they don’t understand. So political demagogues can whip them to a frenzy by telling them they don’t need to understand the situation, they don’t need to look at anything more than the most superficial aspects of it, they don’t need to think (in fact, thinking is suspect) — just feel and react. Use the Force, Luke.
The problem is that nobody in power wants people to think. Nobody wants them to analyze. They all want people — their constituents, their customers, their employees — to just feel and react. Don’t think, just vote. Just buy. Just work. Left and right, it doesn’t matter. They want us to be like Pavlov’s dogs, ring the bell and we salivate. Shout the slogan and we obey. Joe Sixpack is their ideal audience.
about 11 months ago
“The less educated someone is — and the profile of Joe Sixpack usually involves only a high school education or less — the more things they don’t understand.”
Yawn, another educational elitist. I’d point out the thousands [literally] of students with master’s degrees I’ve seen march out the door with minds narrowly and firmly closed. Is that just not enough education? I look around me at all the PhD’s and my blood chills at the thought of us in charge.
about 11 months ago
You’re talking about schooling, not education. Someone can go through years of school without ever getting an education, even more so today since what used to be educational institutions are being turned into vocational training schools. And yes, going to school for an MBA is just as much vocational training as going to school for a tech certificate. Far too many people have no desire whatsoever to “waste time” learning anything that cannot be directly applied to their expected future job, so universities are increasingly becoming simply more prestigious versions of DeVry, with majors like Hotel & Restaurant Management and Nursing Home Administration.
However, my statement still holds true (and remember, I was speaking in very broad generalizations; there’s not really room in a blog comment to do otherwise). Open-mindedness is an attribute separate from education. If someone is determined to be close-minded, they can do it with ten degrees and a Nobel prize. And conversely, there are people who never let their schooling (or lack thereof) interfere with their educations. But it’s like the Damon Runyon said: “The race is not always to the swift nor the battle to the strong, but that’s the way to bet.” Open-mindedness can be roughly defined as a desire to learn new things combined with a willingness to objectively evaluate what one knows. Your close-minded grad students learn, but they lack the willingness to evaluate and weigh what they have learned (academically or otherwise). Joe Sixpack (remember, as stated above, we’re talking about the stereotypical Joe Sixpack, not every real person who fits Joe Sixpack’s demographic) lacks the desire to learn — in fact, he often actively rejects learning as unnecessary, and is suspicious of anyone who knows more than he does.
Education is a tool. True, some people who have that tool don’t use it (the narrow-minded students of your example) but people who don’t have the tool in the first place can’t use it. Some people work to get those tools on their own, independent of their schooling, but most people of any educational level only use (or don’t use) the tools they were issued. The people you’re talking about, with their crisp new masters degrees and their closed minds, at least have some of the tools if they decide to use them; unless he’s a very highly motivated individual, Joe Sixpack with his GED doesn’t have them at all.
Further, I was talking about education in the specific context of it enabling people to understand more things. Their understanding might be incorrect and their reasoning might be flawed, but they still believe that they understand. So while they may be making decisions based on invalid reasoning, they’re still making decisions, not reacting out of suspicion and fear of the people they feel inferior to. Although it is as bad in its own way as simple ignorance, intellectual arrogance is resistant to demagoguery.
The big problem with people who reject, and in fact are suspicious of, education and knowledge is that they use some other source to make decisions. They replace logic with emotion. It doesn’t matter what their political viewpoint is — their motto is if it feels good, do it. Or vote for it. And they’re the market that everyone — the advertisers, the politicians, you name it — is courting. Look at the last US presidential election. Neither of the two major party candidates said anything substantive about their positions, their programs, their plans. It was all touchy-feely, all emotions, just differing flavors of touchiness and feeliness. Change we can believe in. Okay, but what change? Going from the frying pan to the fire is a change, too. Appealing to “Real Americans”. Everyone who didn’t support that ticket must be a foreigner, a traitor, an enemy. Us versus them. But solid figures? Solid promises? Anything, in fact, but vague slogans and demagogues making speeches to chanting throngs of supporters? Not so much. Not at all.
Take the type specimen of Joe Sixpack, namely Joe the Plumber. He is — or, rather, was presented as — the quintessential “common man”. He claimed he supported McCain because Obama’s tax reform plan (what there was of it) would cost him much higher taxes. When it was demonstrated to him that he would in fact pay lower taxes under that plan, he still supported McCain, because his support was never about taxes at all. It wasn’t reasoned, analyzed, and thought out. It was gut feelings. Emotions. He liked that guy better than the other guy. He liked being told that the problems were simple, the solutions were simple, and most of all, that he was smarter and better than the people he felt looked down on him. It was all about his feelings, and about which candidate validated his feelings. On the opposing side, same thing. People voting for “change” and “progress” without any idea what changes were proposed, or what direction that progress might be going for. Gut feelings again. Like Prince Caspian, I have seen change and progress in an egg, and called it ‘going bad’. Simple solutions. No analysis required. Don’t think, just feel. Go with your feelings. Trust your feelings. Trust me….
Demagogues have always preyed on the feelings of the masses. They’ve always presented simple problems and declared simple solutions. The problem is those foreigners. These conspirators. That minority religion. The intellectuals. Some other race. The aristocracy. The solution is round them up, expel them, kill them, redistribute their wealth. Enjoy the bread and circuses. Don’t think. Just feel. Demagogues preaching simple problems and simple solutions gave us Sulla’s proscriptions and the Reign of Terror, the Final Solution and the Cultural Revolution, the Killing Fields and the Rwandan genocide … need I go on? Joe Sixpack is a dangerous man. Without him, without his willingness — indeed eagerness — to follow his gut instead of his mind, the demagogues would have no source of power.
Would education change all of this? Any of this? Maybe not. But at the very least, if Joe understood more of the world, of its past, and of how it works, he might be more able to recognize the actual complexity of problems and reject simplistic solutions. (and that’s equally true if “Joe” has a degree or two or three, but still no education at all) If Joe had enough education to make him equal, in his own eyes, to the people he feels inferior to and hence resents, he might be less vulnerable to demagogues playing on that resentment. If. If. If.
Note: I wrote this over two days, and I wasn’t entirely awake all that time, so take it for what it is: . a semi-conscious political rant. A lot of preaching to get the masses riled up. In my own small way, I too am a demagogue.
about 11 months ago
Lum, fix your CSS. The lack of spacing between paragraphs makes me want to hit someone with a copy of “World of Warcraft Programming”.
about 11 months ago
I want the Usenet back, and Crosspoint. It was more 2.0 than blogging.
about 11 months ago
Cantor & Siegel have a very special place in hell reserved just for them.
about 11 months ago
Young, Old. Educated, Life-Lessoned.
Hell, I don’t care where you’ve come from. You’re still a fool if you’re looking at an eleven quadrillion dollar debt inherited largely from the 8 years preceding Obama, and balking at a few trillion spent just trying to turn this basket to hell around. Even more so if you’re looking to vote the legitimized criminals that pass for the Republican part back into office to turn it around.
America, bless this country, is truly and well fucked right now. We don’t want to admit it, but that’s American pride – that thing that tends to come before a fall. Frankly, it’d take a miracle of a leader just to prevent things from getting worse before they get better.
Watching former baseball players’ gambits for office just reinforces the same celebrity-minded mentality that got us here in the first place. It’s supposed to be a good country – where a good country might be defined as one that allows each of its citizens an opportunity to live life to their fullest. Instead, what we have these days is mostly a popularity contest. Maybe we were asking for it to start this country up as a Democracy to begin with.
about 11 months ago
@Geldonyetich
“Democracy is the worst form of government, apart from all of the others”
about 11 months ago
You know what it really is? It’s the common fallacy of absolutes. We have a tendency in this country – perhaps through the perpetuity of humankind – to believe that something either is or it is not, when the reality is more often that something sorta is or it is good in moderation.
Democracy is generally a good idea. The thing is, when you’ve got a bunch of cats to herd, and you know they’re going to come to your house with pitchforks and torches, it’s really convenient to be able to tell them: hey – don’t blame me – I asked you guys to take a vote on that, and the majority of you voted in favor of that.
However, absolute democracy is problematic because of many reasons. The individual members voting don’t necessarily know anything about any given issue or person to put a good vote to it. It would take too long to get votes for every little thing to be considered. And so on — we don’t really run on an absolute democracy even here in the United States, we run a Democratic Republic.
But the problem with absolutes is deeper than that. It gets into this territory of seeing government regulation as potentially stepping in to prevent crooks from steamrolling the people, and suddenly all they have to do is cry “socialism” and now the sheep will flock to their banner. Socialism is more to do with complete regulation, not just the slight regulation being proposed, but given the fallacy of absolutes that’s so rampant in our society it’s that easy to get their goats.
As I get older and a bit wiser, perhaps tempered with what little time for meditation I make, I’m beginning to pick out these ugly little flaws in the human character. It’s a minor miracle how much we’ve accomplished as a race, largely be standing on the corpse piles of the trial and errors we can see through history. It’s a terrifyingly easy thing to repeat those mistakes on a larger and more disastrous scale, especially so long as Joe Sixpack can’t be bothered to pay attention.
about 11 months ago
@Geldon
Please give it a rest re Joe Sixpack. Start railing about Bill Banker for a while, surely there’s some material there for you to rant about. If not, I’d be glad to pass some on.
about 11 months ago
Judging by a cursory glance at Google and a greatly shortened entry on Wikipedia, I’d say it’s a fair guess that neither me nor the rest of the Internet particularly care about Bill Banker.
As for Joe Sixpack, he’s a bit like Casual and Hardcore gamers in that he’s a convenient thing to try to gauge the behavior of a mass of people, but people are so very complicated that you won’t a single real example of one anywhere.
about 11 months ago
and this is why I can’t be in politics either…
about 11 months ago
JuJutsu, Joe Sixpack outnumbers Bill Banker by a lot. More important in this case is that it’s Joe Sixpack who decides who will make laws that regulate Bill Banker’s bank, and influences what laws will be made.
Bill Banker has influence over politicians for one simple reason: he gives them lots of money. Aside from any of it that might be diverted into the politicians’ own pockets, that money is important for one very important reason: it can buy Joe Sixpack’s vote. That money can pay for persuasive media to tell Joe how to feel. There’s a reason that political advertising is increasingly emotional and decreasingly informative, and that reason is that it works. Joe Sixpack doesn’t want to have to think about things; he wants to feel. An appeal to reason can be made effectively on a mimeographed handout; an appeal to emotion requires consultants, showmen, and a lot more expensive means of presentation, from glossy printed material and pricey TV airtime to massive public rallies that hint at Nuremburg.
People keep saying the money has to be taken out of politics. You can’t do that, though, without denying people the right to contribute to the candidate of their choice, and groups of people the right to speak out for the candidate of their choice. And if you did stop money from flowing to candidates, then you’d just be handing an advantage to those who start out with millions of their own money to spend. If it wouldn’t break the budget, an interesting option I’ve seen would be to supply public funds to all candidates equal to the fundraising (including his own cash) of the candidate who’s got the most money, and pay for airtime for all to match the airtime purchases of 527′s and PACs. Since having more money wouldn’t give anyone an advantage, the theory goes, they’d spend less effort on fundraising (since they would in effect be fundraising for their opponent as well) and, since the campaigns who are getting their funds from the public coffers instead of direct fundraising would therefore have more time to campaign instead of just raise money, the leader would actually be at something of a disadvantage, and therefore redirect effort from fundraising to campaigning (it’s better to let someone else be #1), and thus the total quantity of money involved would drop. With less money, the theory goes, they’d spend less on image and emotional advertising, and more on appeals to reason instead of emotion. It’s an interesting proposal, anyway, though cynical ol’ Wanderer doubts that it, or anything, will actually work.
The only thing that would really work would be to get Joe Sixpack to think, to reason, to analyze, instead of just feeling. That would shift the emphasis from the appeals to emotion and the senses to logical, rational presentations of the comparative advantages of a candidate (or a cola, for that matter). The problem is, Joe doesn’t want to. It was Thomas Edison, I believe, who said (and I’m undoubtedly badly misquoting him), “Thinking is the hardest work there is, so a man will do anything to avoid having to do it.” We like to have it easy. How many people watched, let’s say, the Lord of the Rings movies without ever having read, or ever intending to read, the books? I can tell you: a whole lot. The books are better, but the movies are easier. No need for that difficult, complicated thinking; just sit back and be entertained. So I have no idea how to make Joe Sixpack think about things, or Joe the Plumber really care about what a candidate’s is proposing to do, not just some gut feeling about him. Someone better figure it out fast, though.
about 11 months ago
@Wanderer
I too did notice the trend towards the “vocational training”, which I guess is fine in small doses but not when it starts dictating an approach to higher education. However, can “Joe Sixpack” be blamed for that? To be honest, I can’t see how. As much as one could extol the virtues of a nineteenth-century-style classical liberal education, where you would read history and Latin and Greek, keep this in mind: Joe Sixpacks would never have access to such an education in the first place, for reasons having nothing to do with intellectual capacity.
If anything, the educational system (and though I’m not American, it’s the same problem here) has become a surrogate for an apprenticeship system that still occasionally shows up in the form of on-the-job training but has more or less vanished in an age when businesses regard their employees as overhead instead of assets, and would rather avoid investing in them or having to train them in any way beyond molding them to the company mentality — which explains the presence of those prestigious versions of DeVry. It used to be that you would learn hotel and restaurant management by starting out as a busboy, not by trying to obtain a piece of paper that states that you know everything about the restaurant business.
This way of thinking has reached its apex with the sacrosanct MBA, which unleashed God knows how many young immortals who think they know much about running a business because they can read a financial statement. There have been some grumbling about this for quite a few years (see Henry Mintzberg, for example), but what good is it to complain about MBA’s when military academies produce a yearly batch of young officers, some, if not most, of whom never served in the military before?
I remember one time when I was looking into applying to graduate school. My undergraduate studies were in one of the more unemployable disciplines, and I was concerned that it would be a waste of time and money to obtain a master’s, especially since I had little desire to move on to the Ph.D, much less of working in academia. When I expressed my reluctance to one of my professors at the time, she told me that I could do a dual master’s that would involve one-half unemployable discipline, one-half administration degree. I’m not sure what the curriculum would have looked like, as the very idea of a humanities-business master’s-level chimera seemed impractical enough academically. But beyond that, why would I study management when I’d never had so much as enough money to my name that I could manage with more latitude than invariably placing it in absolutely-risk-free and consequently ultra-low-interest investments? I was being financially responsible, out of necessity, but if that’s enough to qualify, wouldn’t anyone who never went bankrupt meet the requirements?
So that’s why I’m not planning on studying for an MBA, whether now or a few years down the road — I don’t think I’m qualified to be doing this (anyway, in a few years, I’ll have lost that “youthful edge” one has come to expect from MBA graduates). But if you dangle that or any other sort of vocational training in front of “Joe Sixpack”, why shouldn’t he take the opportunity, no matter how ill-suited it might be for him, since it’s practically the only one he’ll ever get? Hardly degrading, unless you happen to be one of those elitists who would sneer at such plebeian methods of social elevation.
I’m all for separating the terms schooling and education, and placing what I just discussed under the former. But the two tend to collide and blend more often than not, and it is the resulting ambiguity which led to this discussion (see JuJutsu’s interpretation of it), first and foremost because of the prevailing view that the only appropriate type of schooling is that which is also educational in nature, i.e. that classical liberal education I mentioned in the opening paragraph, the only one seemingly appropriate for intellectual pursuits, which in turn are seen as the only worthy pursuits of mankind.
It also makes the closed-mindedness of JuJutsu’s master’s students much more damaging than the closed-mindedness of “Joe Sixpack” and his entire bowling league. Yet it’s always fashionable to talk of anti-intellectualism, and not nearly so much to discuss the rampant elitism in higher education, let alone the absurdity of much of what is going on there. (I am talking specifically about the humanities.)
It’s over a decade old, but the Sokal hoax still epitomizes everything that is wrong in academic circles. For those who might not know what it was about, it involved a physics professor (Alan Sokal) who submitted a deliberately phony paper to a Yale cultural studies journal, in which he argued that gravity was a social construct, with several quotes culled from poststructuralist and postmodernist thinkers to prove his point. After it was published, he exposed the hoax in another publication, and not surprisingly, it led to much howling on both sides.
Yet amid the attacks on Sokal (and there were plenty of them, many ad hominem — he’s anti-French, he’s a right-winger, or just plain “he was dishonest”), the one accusation that stood out for me came from one of the editors of the journal he had fooled: Sokal “got it wrong”, the editor argued, because “he’s ill-read and half-educated” (see how it fits here), with further claims from another editor that they knew the article was “a little hokey” but ran it anyway. Then why did the journal run the piece? Could it be because it happened to be ideologically convenient and written by someone with credentials on the enemy’s side of the fence?
Yet the problem with that I have with the Sokal hoax is that it came with an unfortunate side effect. Science did not need to be saved from postmodernists, because nobody took them seriously in that field anyway except the converted (would any scientist seriously think that Newton’s Principia was, as stated by a feminist writer, a “rape manual”?), but the hoax ended up giving ammunition to those in the humanities who, while not caring much about science, certainly objected to postmodernism. So that switched from those saying that everything was a social construct to those who argued that their entire field was just every bit as unquestionably factual as the sciences.
Please understand that I think the Sokal hoax was very much needed, even despite its unfortunate consequences, because it exposed how much of what was going on there was purely politically motivated, and for a brief while the moral and intellectual veneer that covered this was stripped off. Now, imagine being “Joe Sixpack”, watching this from the sidelines; what are you supposed to think? That a lot of what is going on there is some ideological battle that claims the intellectual high ground while trying to purge those who think differently?
I’m all for education, but I wouldn’t blame Joe Sixpack for being responsible for education being discouraged; nor would I blame those smooth-talking politicians for that — they just ride the wave, they didn’t start it. No, I would look squarely at academic circles for that, that so-called intellectual elite which always cries how powerless (and superior) it is — and it’s both the left and the right doing it, against one another and everyone below (such as Richard Hofstadter and Allan Bloom).
Rail as you may against politicians and Wall Street bankers, those intellectuals wouldn’t consider they’re part of the rightful elite anyway — just rich posturers. What you get, on the other hand, are those closed-minded academics, those who proclaim themselves to be the only rightful elite (any reference to Plato is a giveaway). But for all their confidence that they, and they alone, can lead society, they’ve forgotten why they were about to lead it in the first place. It’s not even about the betterment of society, no matter how much lip service they’ll pay to that, it’s all about their own status and their petty causes.
For some reason, Marxists are the most conspicuous, perhaps because they are forced to justify their intellectual premise while being confronted with the reality of the application of Marxism (which, no matter how loudly they can proclaim such applications to be travesties of their ideology, isn’t particularly convincing). Strange example of that happened on MMORPG.com a few months ago — just imagine someone showing up and making a case that MMO’s are a modern example of the “opiate of the masses” (for the link-inclined: mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm?thread=232238&bhcp=1 ). Nothing particularly groundbreaking; a believable premise, but a faulty argumentation, and even a case of plagiarism. The author took advantage of a Chinese official referring to MMO’s as a spiritual opium that corrupted the Chinese youth; but in the true Marxist sense, it’s an entirely different situation (not one of social corruption, as seemed to be the official’s accusation, but one of social control), and a totalitarian-capitalistic regime like Beijing’s would gladly welcome every opiate it could exploit, not clamp down on them. And any but the purest Marxist regimes would do exactly the same, if the opium were safe enough (which an independent organized religion left unchecked is not, but MMO’s might be).
But anyway, just imagine going to MMORPG.com and starting this sort of pseudo-intellectual bullshit, with all the smugness you can imagine attached to it. At one point the author linked to an unrelated article in one of those British Marxist publications. I look up the stuff, just for fun (yes, I know, I have weird interests), and it turns out that the publication has been criticized for caring little for the plight of workers in any practical sense, and only studying them in a clinical, detached method, as an anonymous group, “The Proletariat” and so on. And if you consider that among academics, Marxists are the most obsessed with questions of class, where does that leave the others?
“Joe Sixpack” might lack the refinement provided by a good education, but he isn’t dumb, and his instinct tells him that in those loftier circles, the reality of “Joe Sixpack” is just more ideological fodder, a case study, just like House doesn’t care about his patients. Unlike House’s diagnoses, however, the condition of “Joe Sixpack” can be distorted at will according to what you want to make it say. In the end, it inevitably ends up being a battle over the state of “Joe Sixpack” in which “Joe Sixpack” plays no part; and should he want to play a part, to chime in on his own condition, it’s always the same response. Not interested. Uninformed. False consciousness (always handy, for either side). Apparently “Joe Sixpack” cannot assess his own condition because he has not read Marx, or Milton Friedman, or Nietzsche, or any other writer deemed important by the intellectual doing the dismissal. (Or, if it turns out that “Joe Sixpack” *did* read it, there is always that “got it wrong” they leveled at Sokal. It’s your fault for not understanding it. Go reread it.)
Is it any wonder that this open-minded approach to education does not exist, if possible at all? If you want to educate yourself, you get presented with a rigid reading list where individual interests and preferences don’t even matter. Prefer Marvell to Milton or Jonson to Shakespeare? Wrong! That reminds me of Raymond Chandler, who did much to legitimize the detective novel as an artistic venture as opposed to a mindless distraction. He once wrote that “all reading for pleasure is escape, whether it be Greek, mathematics, astronomy, Benedetto Croce, or The Diary of the Forgotten Man. To say otherwise is to be an intellectual snob, and a juvenile at the art of living.” I can almost hear the rebuttal of intellectual snobs: “Oh, but you don’t read Marx or Plato or Nietzsche for pleasure. You read them because you must.” Otherwise, reading out of obligation would be confined to those eight years’ worth of financial statements by this company that your boss has asked to be briefed about.
What’s worse is that it’s pretty a hypocritical rebuttal, because they don’t expect you to read them in the first place (or not understand them if you did). I suspect it’s quite similar to the Linux buzz, in that it derives its glamour not necessarily from being better, but from being exclusive. “We techies love Linux, it works great, and there is no Microsoft. The masses who know nothing about computing use Windows, but we’re better than that.” Make Linux more accessible, even without sacrificing any of its quality, and all of a sudden it loses its cachet — even though it’s still better than Windows. It’s the type of reasoning that provides the sole justification for Rolex watches — no matter how reliable they are, a lifetime supply of Timexes would amount to a fraction of their cost. It’s like that foreign film with subtitles (that isn’t playing within 100 miles of where you live): it stops being hip when the popcorn crowd walks in.
In other words, intellectuals are proponents of education on the one hand and discouraging it on the other, so that they could be better at ease when launching little ideological attacks against one another (and, sometimes, at taxpayers’ expense). But we can’t denounce them, for that would be anti-intellectualism.
It’s already long enough, so I’ll post this while working on a follow-up to discuss a few more matters.
about 11 months ago
I found this on the internet so Geldon will give it credence
In the most recent presidential election which educational and income segments went the most over-whelmingly for President Obama?
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/#USP00p1
Even when you take out the distortion induced by race it doesn’t provide strong support for the notion that the less schooled or poorer are just grist for the neocon mill.
@Vetarnias
No it’s not just the US, I’ve spent the last decade with Canadian Commerce & MBA students. Maybe things are different at McGill with Mintzberg there but I doubt it.
about 11 months ago
@JuJutsu
The exist polls are more telling in the case of the 2004 presidential election.
In your stats, you do see an interesting correlation in that the white, particularly uneducated vote was on McCain’s side. It seems racial bias is still alive in well in the land of the free.
about 11 months ago
@Geldon
White/under $50k: 47% Obama, 51% McCain
about 11 months ago
I didn’t really tackle the question of democracy in my first post, though you could see what I was aiming at: “Joe Sixpack” as powerless and maintained in a general state of inferiority by the academic elites (not to mention the rest).
I was going through an article on the “Great Books” project of the Encyclopedia Britannica in the fifties, and keeping on reading, discovered that one of the people involved with it had first been encouraged to read Plato (at age fourteen or so) out of shame, when he learned that John Stuart Mill had done the same at the age of five.
I suppose that’s an easy thing to read Plato at five when your own father happens to be a respected thinker in a position to Jeremy Bentham as your tutor. Mill’s training is quite a story in itself, but it was rooted in the excessive approach to parenting (from Wikipedia: “His father, a follower of Bentham and an adherent of associationism, had as his explicit aim to create a genius intellect that would carry on the cause of utilitarianism and its implementation after he and Bentham were dead.”) Perhaps that went over well in the nineteenth century, but I wonder if it could rank as child abuse; at any rate, it would be borderline indoctrination. I suspect that if a child were subjected to this nowadays, if he doesn’t go bonkers, would spend the rest of his life trying to disprove his father and any enlisted Benthams.
But does “Joe Sixpack”, or his children, have an opportunity like that? Can you be a musical wunderkind if your parents don’t own a piano, let alone read music? Probably not. So it’s largely a case of inequality at birth; in which case, I wish we could be spared the cliche “everybody is a winner” strawman when aiming for some sort of social justice. No, not everyone is a winner. I remember discussing the case of a swim meet some time ago, either here or on MMORPG.com. Not everyone wins the race, so yeah, no equality of outcome. But it becomes a problem when not everyone starts the race at the same time. Pit the J.S. Mill of swimming against your average Joe Sixpack, and see who wins.
That is Joe Sixpack’s predicament. The perennial loser, the object of scorn and derision. His only strength, like it or not, is in numbers. And here is where I step forward to defend democracy – the idea of it. No, it’s not perfect, far from it. Someone mentioned that Churchill quote about it being “the worst form of government except for all the others”, and there is another Churchill quote to go with it, “the best argument against democracy is a five-minute talk with the average voter.”
My reason for supporting democracy is, I suspect, the same as Churchill’s: it’s a safety valve. It’s a way to control society by giving the people some meaningless amount of power. For academics weaned on Plato, it’s probably too much, but get rid of democracy, and it might get worse. The state loses its legitimacy; the lack of a legal recourse means people will look beyond the law to obtain satisfaction (and some of the most compelling cases of tyranny of the majority in a democratic system never had the imprimatur of the government).
I’m all for having an informed citizenry, but as I said, I think the problem begins at the top, with the intellectual elites, instead of the bottom. First, because they behave as elitists who are content with their status but have forgotten all of their duties and obligations as the elites they so eagerly want to be. Second, because they have taken to peddling agendas and settling inconsequential accounts among themselves.
That reminds me of an article I read a while ago, by a person in charge of a think-tank that advocated returning to the teachings of the Athenians. And he brought up several of the points discussed in this thread, wondering why we endorsed celebrities as candidates and shunned university professors. I’ll quote a key paragraph here: “Although this anti-intellectual bias is less predominant in Canada, both American and Canadian voters are very vulnerable to mediatic factors such as body language, winking at the audience, ability to tell jokes and being folksy and cute. This media-enhanced trivialization started in the first television debate between John Kennedy and Richard Nixon, and it’s been said that JFK won the televised debate because of Mr. Nixon’s sweaty face while Mr. Nixon won the radio debate because of his arguments. Today, the spin doctors and image makers try to appeal to the lowest common denominator. We are very far from Plato’s philosopher king.”
It would be a very convincing reasoning if not for those two little words: “Richard Nixon”. As it turned out, the guy with the more convincing arguments proved to be a paranoid and vindictive freak whose downfall, ironically, seemed to prove to a generation of Americans that their political system worked. Or is that acceptable behavior among philosopher kings?
What is fascinating about this article, which began with a discussion of Sarah Palin, is that it was published in March of this year, and not before the US election. It’s even more puzzling when you get to read such gems as “The U.S. voter from the Midwest or Deep South must realize his or her decision has global implications and act accordingly.” Which evidently applies only to regions of the US where Republicans happen to be popular. Only they must be reminded of American obligations on the world stage; I wonder why.
That’s perhaps what annoyed me most about the last US election — this idea that there is a date with history that must not be missed. I might despise Republicans, but one should have had the option of voting for them without being labeled an idiot, or worse, a racist. Apparently it’s fine for a black Obama supporter to say that blacks must rally around him; I wonder if “Whites! Vote McCain!” would have gone over just as well. Ultimately, it’s just the usual pressure that takes away from the democratic nature of the exercise. If you want to vote Republican, you should have the right to do so without having to wear a brown paper bag (and please, no “don’t you usually wear those pointy white hoods anyway?”).
about 11 months ago
@JuJitSu
I’m reading under the “Vote by Education and Race” category, I think. Besides, in either category, it’s remarkable just how much of a deparity of votes there is between black and white.
But I didn’t make the time to discuss why the 2008 exit poll is not nearly as significant as the 2004 exit poll. (For that matter, I don’t have time to bicker over the significance of exit poll numbers with you, at all.)
The thing is, the 2008 election was an interesting one because here we had Bush Jr. stepping down, so there was no security in the current incumbant, and the Republican party in general was thice damned (and still is) for just how badly they botched the economy.
The 2004 election is interesting because anyone who was paying attention could very much see that things were spiraling down the drain, but the vote was still just barely in favor of the incumbent.
The differences between the 2004 and 2008 numbers are probably a good measure of who was slow on the uptake.
about 11 months ago
@Geldonyetich
Part of the difference between 2004 and 2008 is also down to the quality of the Democrat candidate. You maight have doubts about substance, but Barack Obama undeniably gives a good speech and can inspire devotion. John Kerry lacked both the folksiness of George W Bush and the charisma of Barack Obama, and couldn’t even substitute for them with an impressive towering intellect like the (fictional) Jed Bartlet (of the West Wing). It was a struggle to see any reason to vote FOR Kerry beyond voting AGAINST Bush. Obama, on the other hand, stands up pretty well on his own merits.
about 11 months ago
Does little to dissuade the underlying belief that people vote overmuch with their gut, that.
about 11 months ago
Not that I agree with it, but I just wanted to say that I appreciate your rants Vetarnias. In an era of tl;dr, it is nice to find something that was too long but worth the read.
about 11 months ago
Maybe this would help ASL’s release schedule.