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The Scourge Of Google
Richard Bartle indulges in understatement on contextual advertising.
When my book first came out, there were ads for gold farmers on its Amazon page and there were also ads for them that popped up for Google searches on my name. My name was being associated with a service of which I disapprove. Was there anything I could do about it? No, there wasn’t. Well, I guess I could have retaliated by buying ads for their names, but there wasn’t enough room to write BUY GOLD AND DECREASE YOUR SENSE OF SELF WORTH YOU LOSER LOSER LOSER in them.
He goes on to condemn the practice of contextual ad placement in general. It is fairly blipverty and the MMO community in particular has long struggled with the inability to filter advertising for things that their members violently disapprove of (yet still manage to stay in business anyway). Much of that is due to Google’s effective monopoly of affordable Internet advertising. There’s no alternative “MMO friendly” advertising network, simply because there’s not enough money in it. Not many really want to buy advertising on your guild’s web site… unless they want to sell you gold, that is. And the amount of money that changes hands is so ridiculously low that most reputable sites simply don’t bother selling advertising any more.
Ironically, it’s quite easy to ensure that Google Ads meet community standards. Your community merely has to be an authoritarian dictatorship! Failing that, you have to reach Google Ads’ bar for Things They Don’t Like. Their policy, which they apparently inherited from Youtube, is somewhat arbitrary. Cheating on your schoolwork reaches that bar, but cheating on your online game does not. Google Ads DOES explicity prohibit “e-gold”, but that’s not online RMT, but more direct money laundering. And, of course, nothing to prevent someone from advertising on a Miley Cyrus video with a “Buy the clothes Miley likes!” tag line. In fact, that sort of “targeted advertising” is what Google explicitly sells. And in such volume that, of course, they can’t be expected to police that, can they?
This wouldn’t be an issue if you (yes, you) would actually pay for content on the Internet. But all evidence empirically states that you (yes, you) won’t, so Google teaches us that we can’t have nice things.
“Don’t be evil.”
— Google’s mission statement
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about 1 year ago
Isn’t it more that Google teaches us we CAN have nice things by making, well, Google search engine…and then promptly demonstrates that even nice things suck? Really, it’s liberating.
about 1 year ago
I’m not fond of gold spammers, my opinion is generally that greed has no limits and they’re just as likely to steal your credit card as sell you gold, yet I’m having troubles feeling any sympathy over this issue in regards to Google.
It’s advertising, the market where the people who spend money win. That has little to do with Google per se, other than they happen to sell advertisement space.
All this demonstrates is that moral certitude and distastefulness can get so very specific that one party seems horrified while the rest of the world gives a collective shrug.
To me, this is highly misdirected finger-pointing, aimed at the delivery systems instead of the actual culprits, the gold spammers / farmers themselves.
about 1 year ago
Google should provide site owners with the ability to specify some sort of negative keywords of their own– these words/phrases can’t appear in any ads on my site, thanks. It’d be a great tool.
Beyond that, I don’t think they should blanket ban ads for things that some people disapprove of.
about 1 year ago
BTW, Blizzard can’t afford to pay a content distribution network to host their trailer ad-free?
about 1 year ago
I’m with Matt on that one. If Google is able to produce positive (accurate) results with such consistency that they became the #1 search engine in the world, they must certainly be able to produce negative results (filtering) for their own services. Why they haven’t offered something like that is beyond me.
Just for yucks, I did a search on your name, Scott. The first ad was a link from Amazon.com to check out a “Preliminary engineering geology report of dam sites on the east fork of the Muscatatuck River in Scott, Jennings, and Jefferson Counties, Indiana” by John Durfee Winslow.
about 1 year ago
@Aaron: Because Google’s approach is that search should be biased in the order of: User (doing the searching), Advertiser, Content, IP / Trademark.
I fully agree with that order. If you give Content the ability to add negative filters, it would change the order, trumping advertisers (which more / less would assume Content providers should be granted free advertising).
Content has to rest on its own merits.
Richard Bartle is asking for the priorities to be changed because it would benefit his perspective of how things should work: IP first. He’s got the order all wrong and Matt just correctly pointed out how IP / Trademark can trump the order: pay for it.
IP / Trademarks IMHO should not have much say, period, because it would trump searching overall. Corporate / IP weighted search isn’t search at all.
This is all about certain parties thinking they should have access to something free by merit of the Trademark system. I think I speak for many that are very, very, very tired of that approach to business.
about 1 year ago
I admit it: I refuse to pay for content on the internet so that you (yes you) can’t have nice things. I thought I could get away Scott free but he tracked me down.
about 1 year ago
“This wouldn’t be an issue if you (yes, you) would actually pay for content on the Internet. But all evidence empirically states that you (yes, you) won’t, so Google teaches us that we can’t have nice things.”
That’s funny. I pay for my internet service. And I pay for the MMO that Bartle thinks has a right not to targeted for contextual advertising. And apparently a lot of people are paying for virtual gold.
In fact I’d probably pay more for any particular web site or service than they get for advertising to me, but it’s not feasible for them to charge me in tiny increments. Plus, as soon as I started paying them they’d just keep increasing the cost to justify additional crap that I didn’t want in the first place.
about 1 year ago
Let me put my thoughts in order:
1)Google gets money from gold sellers. The websites that put the advertisment take the money of Google. Hence, Google its in favor of gold sellers.
2)People that buy gold in WoW are LOSERS. Seriously. Theres several free places in the Internet that teach how to make gold. Like Greedy Goblin (although dont get in the discussions of economy). And you DO NOT NEED a red drake.
3)Points 1 and 2 arent new just because the Don of MMO just discovered them. Sorry.
about 1 year ago
Google is evil.
Read up there China censorship policy.
Google kills Anne Frank.
about 1 year ago
Bartle dislikes RMT too? There’s another factoid to toss against the pro-RMT types.
That said, it’s probably hard to find contextual ads for somebody talking about gaming without inviting gold farming advertisers into the mix. You don’t see a lot of GameStop ads out there – I’m guessing the average game retailer isn’t super on board with the idea of advertising through Google.
When I was running Google ad sense on my older blog (WordPress doesn’t allow advertising if any kind) I did get a lot of gold sellers, but I was able to filter them with a middling degree of success by keeping my “competing product” filters updated. Of course, gold sellers go through 1001 domains to avoid filtering, like any other cyber-criminal, so a few would trickle in every now and then.
about 1 year ago
I don’t understand how RMT can pull enough cash to justify all these marketing expendures. As of late WoW started getting live sales reps contacting you and offering PL and gold. Is there *that* much money in it?
about 1 year ago
My ISP seems to levy this “charge” of $80US to me. They claim that failing to make good on this “charge” means I won’t have any internets anymore. They even have the nerve to repeat these shenanigans every month!
I’m pretty sure I’m already paying for internet content.
These days though, a lot of people sure seem to think I should be paying twice, three times, nay – as many times as necessary to drain my bank account! – in order to access “content”, which my inner economist would, rather generously I might add, classify as a luxury item.
In a sense, your last paragraph places the blame for the dominance of Google’s ads squarely at the feet of us cheapskate internet lowlifes who are not routinely engaging in the purchase of luxury goods, without regard as to what benefit would actually be derived from that purchase. Here I present an alternative hypothesis.
Most “content” is not going to make my life significantly better, nor offer me anything that I couldn’t get somewhere else for free or couldn’t do without entirely. So the issue isn’t that I’m too cheap to pay for content – see my first paragraph. The issue is that, above and beyond my internet service charge, there is so very little worth paying for.
A simple cost/benefit analysis reduces the problem to one of economics. And I like those problems, because it asks people to consider the concept which has the most direct bearing on their quality of life – money. This brings a certain clarity to an otherwise murky issue.
Now, Goole ads is far from perfect.
It is impossible to be a behemoth of an organisation like Google and not have the dexterity of an ogre squashed underneath 3 dead trolls. The ad situation you describe is a consequence of this reality. Organisations this big don’t use fine-tipped paint brushes, they dump truckloads of paint on the canvas and hope enough of it comes out alright. If enough of it doesn’t, they’ll change it.
Perhaps it is time for Richard to engage in his own cost/benefit analysis with respect to having the ads.
about 1 year ago
@Gx1080
I’m pretty sure Richard Bartle hasn’t “just discovered” that gold sellers exist and that sad sacks use their services. He’s been expressing his opinion on the topic for a while now.
@Dave G.
You’re not paying $80 for internet CONTENT, you’re paying for internet ACCESS. Not one cent of that money you pay goes to the people who, you know, put stuff on web pages. Now, you could argue that it should – that there should be a levy on all ISPs and the money from it divvied out to all web site owners presumably on the basis of how much traffic they get. I’ll leave finding the flaws in THAT scheme as an exercise for the student.
about 1 year ago
@Tremayne
You’re splitting hairs, really. Internet access by itself is useless unless there is something you can do with it. I don’t pay for internet access, I pay for what I can do with it – much of which involves content on the web.
Now, I’m well aware that web page publishers don’t get remunerated from my internet content payment to my ISP. Clearly, I am not sufficiently monetized yet!
That’s hardly my problem though. From my end, I’m already paying a fair chunk of coin to see these internets in all their glory. There’d need to be an awfully compelling reason for me to hand over MORE ontop of that.
(Sites which offer realtime stock data feeds are the only example I can think of where the site fee may be worthwhile, and that’s probably because you’d use it to make even more money than you’re spending.)
And no, I don’t believe you COULD successfully argue for a levy on ISPs to be paid out to web pages based on traffic. If you’re aware of net neutrality issues, you’ll know that some are trying nonetheless!
about 1 year ago
@sinij – Most estimates put the annual RMT trade at around a billion dollars. However I think that includes legitimate microstransactions as well as the black market.
Its no secret that targeted advertising remains largely dumb and insulting. On Hulu my girlfriend receives ads about hair dye and skin creams. I get ads about how “Blackberry loves U2″.
about 1 year ago
The root problems are that advertisers believe we are stupid and much of the time they are right.
@Matt: Blizzard can definitely afford to. But why would they?
about 1 year ago
Dave G:
I’m really not splitting hairs – the important point is that your money is not going to the content provider, it’s going to the ISP who is just a carrier for whatever content may be out there. The people who create content for you get not one red cent of your $80 and so have no motivation to do so – apart from the sheer pleasure of it, or any money they can get from donations, subscriptions or advertising.
So here’s your motivation – if you don’t pay to support your favourite websites, the guys who run them may shut them down and then you’ll still be paying a fair chunk of coin to see the internets, but there won’t be so much to see.
about 1 year ago
Rog>Richard Bartle is asking for the priorities to be changed because it would benefit his perspective of how things should work: IP first.
Actually, I’m not a great fan of IP in general. However, if we’re going to have it, though, the laws concerning it should be consistent. As I said in my post, if this kind of thing went on in print or on TV, lawyers would have a field day; why is it OK for it to go on in Internet advertising?
It doesn’t even have to be IP, though. I could pay for an ad to show up whenever your name appeared in Google, urging people to buy the souls of Satanists or paedophiles or somesuch. You’d be fine with that? What if a bitter ex-lover put up an ad for venereal disease so that every potential new lover who Googled you would see it, you’d be happy with that?
You say you want the user to come first, but this kind of association of false terms to content undermines this. The user wants relevant content; paid ads can make things “relevant” that aren’t relevant at all.
Richard
about 1 year ago
geldonyetich>Bartle dislikes RMT too?
I do for MMOs not designed for it. I’m OK with it for MMOs designed to embrace it.
Richard
about 1 year ago
@Richard Bartle (the second post).
So if I understand correctly, you would say Asian-type cash-shop-or-grind MMO’s are fine because they were created that way? Okay, it might work from a design/business perspective, but it’s not exactly something pleasant to play. Puzzle Pirates, on the other hand, works splendidly, so I guess it could illustrate what you mean — designed around RMT, and is successful.
Also, I’m curious if any MMO which is subscription-based is inherently not designed for RMT in your view. In which case, if a game has both a subscription and an item shop (wasn’t SOE going ahead with this?) is the design flaw, if any, more ethical in nature than anything else, since it’s tantamount to double dipping? I am finding this new trend particularly dishonest, but I don’t think that is something which means anything as far as the design is concerned — if you’re excluding the possibility of a backlash by players, but I’m just expecting the usual whining-and-renewing behaviour on their part.
And what happens when a subscription game goes free to play — same game in theory, but with an item shop and tiered system now added to it? And it’s not exactly theoretical, now that Dungeons & Dragons Online has announced it’s going that way (for North America anyway). So I guess my question is, will that work from a design standpoint? Or commercially? If Shadowbane had done the same, instead of going for an advertising revenue model that we now know was a failure, would it have worked?
about 1 year ago
Interesting post. Let me add my point of view.
Cash-shop-or-grind its one of the reasons that Ive given up on Korean MMOs. In RMT in general, for games that are designed with that in mind, fine go ahead, but I have a great distaste of the “big” companies example:
A pathethic excuse for falling back because your MMO SUCKS and nobody wants to keep paying 15$ a month for playing it because its a scam.
DDO and Spellborn both failed and they said, well people arent going to pay 15$ a month for shit when they can pay that for WoW but we dont want to lose money and close shop. I got an idea, lets do RMT, yay!!
Just lame. In that pattern, I wouldnt be surprised if WAR down that path. And Bartle its right, the companies that make an MMO should be the ones that choose if they want RMT in their game, it shouldnt be forced by the throat for all the bastards that own a sweatshop.
But then again, those bastards give money to Google so Gogle its dandy with them.
about 1 year ago
It’s all the gamer players fault. Seriously. You do this to yourselves.
about 1 year ago
It really is sad how many of the MMO focused ads are gold sellers and dubious guides. I briefly had ad words on Epic Slant but was pretty much upset by the fact every product was less than related. I don’t mind a game company advertising. I do mind gold sellers. Ultimately even with the amount of traffic I receive it just wasn’t worth the headache and the feeling of being cheap. ES will likely never be monetized and I’m alright with that.
about 1 year ago
Vetarnias>So if I understand correctly, you would say Asian-type cash-shop-or-grind MMO’s are fine because they were created that way?
They’re fine from the perspective of allowing RMT. They may be utter snot as MMOs, but that’s a separate issue.
>Also, I’m curious if any MMO which is subscription-based is inherently not designed for RMT in your view.
Well, an MMO designed for RMT and then operated on a subscription basis would be at a disadvantage over one designed purely to be subscription, because it would be taking advantages of the wrong form.
It’s like the difference between film and theatre. Yes, you can make a movie of a play by using the same script the play did, but you’d almost certainly get a better movie if you modified the script specific to the movie format. Similarly, you can make a subscription MMO using an RMT MMO’s design, but you’d almost certainly get a better MMO if you modified the designe specific to the subscription format.
The same applies to other attempts to use the same material for different forms. For example, if you want to run both PvP and non-PvP servers for your MMO, you’ll save effort if you use the same software for both but you’ll make your design task harder.
>In which case, if a game has both a subscription and an item shop (wasn’t SOE going ahead with this?) is the design flaw, if any, more ethical in nature than anything else, since it’s tantamount to double dipping?
It’s possible to design a game that works for both subs and f2p, although it would be more likely to succeed if this were part of the original specification rather than some late addition. As for whether there’s an ethical issue to it, well, so long as the company is up front about what it’s doing I don’t see that there is. SOE didn’t move any extant EQ2 servers to Station Exchange, they just went with two new ones to start with (and end with – the experiment was not a raging success).
>So I guess my question is, will that work from a design standpoint?
It depends what you mean by “work”…
Richard
about 1 year ago
I never follow what the fuss is about where web advertising is concerned. Is it any harder to ignore the adverts on a website than in a magazine?
Most magazines I’ve read over the last 40 years have at least a smattering of annoying or offensive adverts. It’s always been pretty easy to notice only that they ARE annoying or offensive and then just not read them beyond that. Now that I read websites rather than magazines, I just do the same.
As for RMT/Item Malls, really what is the fuss? So far, almost all MMOs I have enjoyed have been on the subscription model. I don’t assume therefore that I have enjoyed them BECAUSE of the subscription model. Since it is extremely unlikely that I personally would ever pay money for an in-game item or service unless it was of value to me, in which case I would, presumably, be satisfied with the transaction, if a company is able to produce a game that I find attractive enough to want to play and is able to fund it on a non-subscription model, then why wouldn’t I be happy to play it?
So far, no-one has, but I certainly wouldn’t mind if they did.
about 1 year ago
@Richard Bartle: “if this kind of thing went on in print or on TV, lawyers would have a field day; why is it OK for it to go on in Internet advertising?”
This kind of thing started in TV. Overlays of logos, upcoming shows (including infomercials) and stock-tickers.
The Google overlay has at least the benefit of being closed.
Seriously, talk to a lawyer about this, it’s very old news.
about 1 year ago
Unrelated Note to Scott: Comments are lacking in readable white-space. =)
about 1 year ago
RMT and item malls aren’t mutually exclusive. It is quite possible to have a game where you can buy items from the ‘official’ item shop and STILL suffer from farmers, spammers and assorted low-lives – because the developers will have made a decision about what sort of transactions fit in with their game design, and the low-lives don’t give a fart about the design, they wil do anything that makes money.
Case in point – Champions Online is apparently going to have a shop that will sell cosmetic items and stuff that can be earned in-game. I’m willing to take any reasonable bet that we will still see RMT services offered by third parties – power-levelling/pre-levelled characters for certain, probably ‘gold’ or the super-heroic equivalent as well. Because these are things Cryptic have said “No, we won’t sell that, just getting that by waving your credit card is a game-breaker”, and the guy with the sweatshop says “People want it, and will pay for it, and why should I care if your game gets broken?”
about 1 year ago
Am I the only one missing something here? Adsense has a filter whereby you can block a site from being shown on your sites running Adsense.
about 1 year ago
Dave G. – why should I have to pay money to go to the cinema? I’ve already paid money to buy a pair of pants, since they won’t let me in if I’m not wearing pants.
about 1 year ago
@Boanerges: Gold spammers, like the other common variety spammers, use methods like multiple domains to make manual filtering into a game of whack-a-mole.
That’s the one respect where I think Google should do something, with the effectiveness of their filters.
about 1 year ago
Boanerges>Adsense has a filter whereby you can block a site from being shown on your sites running Adsense.
That wouldn’t help you if people did a search for your name on Google and the ads that came up on Google concerned practices with which you did not want your name linked.
Richard
about 1 year ago
@ The Claw
Thanks for making the point I was trying to make, using far fewer words and in a much funnier way.
It’s true – “pants” make anything funnier.
about 1 year ago
@Tremayne
Your point is well taken that if sites prove financially unviable and I am unwilling to support them that they will go away. I don’t see this as a bad thing, I see it merely as a thinning of the herd. Afterall, if I was unwilling to support a site financially, that implicitly means I didn’t care if it went away. I mean, I might be diappointed or think ‘gee, that’s a shame’ – but not enough to put my money where my mouth was.
I was sad when Lum the Mad ceased to exist. Life went on though. I had plenty of other alternatives with which to use my internets effectively.
@The Claw
Pants. I like it. I’ve struggled to find a way to directly refute what you’re saying, since in some weird way, it makes sense. I’m going to have to fall back to economics to save this debate.
The purchase of pants is a precondition to venturing outside in most places. So the pants are your outdoors access fee. Once you are outdoors, you are not compelled to enter any paid establishment.
Pants allow you to do so much more than go to the cinema. Pants allow you to visit many places which are free – down by the harbour, the beach, maybe up in the mountains at a lookout – or just a stroll down the street to the local park. In fact, there are likely thousands times more free places you could go with your pants than there are places which require paid entry.
Suppose the cost of pants rises. Perhaps a rapper gets elected president, and the first law he introduces is that everyone must wear gold-lined diamond-studded parachute pants 20 sizes too big for the wearer.
Suddenly, we’d be faced with a situation where we have much less disposable income, and are therefore much less willing to spend it on luxuries such as cinemas. If I had to pay $10,000 to leave the house, I’d be expecting an awful lot to be provided to me in compensation – or I’ll choose instead to stay at home and forgo the pants.
Now for the economics. You asked, “Why should I have to pay money to go to the cinema?” And the answer is: you don’t *have* to pay money to go to the cinema. You *choose* to pay for only two reasons:
1. They ask you to pay
2. You believe the cost is commensurate with the entertainment value of paying
Your outdoors access pass – your pants – were insufficient to grant you access to the cinema, because the cinema has imposed point #1 on you. That is their choice. This leaves you with a choice of whether or not you wish to pay an additional charge, which is where point #2 comes in.
Note that I haven’t mentioned anything about *the cinema’s* costs. Consumers do not care about the cinema’s costs – according to economic theory. I don’t care if it costs them $300 billion per year in hiring film reel swappers. I’m not going to pay $40,000 for a movie ticket to help them meet their costs.
The implication of your argument is that I should pay to go to the cinema because it costs money to run a cinema, despite having already paid for my pants. Ergo, I should pay for websites because it costs money to host a website, despite having paid for my internet connection. As pointed out in the previous paragraph, this costs-based argument is irrelevant to consumer purchasing decisions.
Furthermore, this argument doesn’t hold water because I have nigh infinite free alternatives to visiting the cinema. Having already paid for my pants / internet connection, I am going to be less likely to pay additional money for other services, as a simple consequence of the fact that I now have less disposable income. So, the services which are attempting to capture what’s left of my disposable income need to be of higher quality than usual, due to the access fee I have paid.
On the web, my argument is simply this: there are basically zero websites that would meet the criteria of being high enough quality to pay for *on top of* my access fee.
If the internet were free and I could sign up to various sites that I liked for a fee, I’d pick my favourite sites and do that happily. I only visit 7 or 8 sites on a regular basis. However, since I pay a large sum of money every month to get internet access, I am no longer willing to do this. I have scarce resources, resources which are made scarcer by my access fee, which means I need to more frugally preserve what is left.
If everyone’s pants cost $10,000, we would be right in asking “why should I have to pay money to go to the cinema?”
about 1 year ago
Analogies are a bit like giraffes with angle grinders.
about 1 year ago
You pay money to go to the cinema because the cinema owner is running a business, not a charity. If you don’t want to pay his price, you don’t go to the cinema. If nobody wants to pay his price, nobody goes to the cinema and then there is no cinema.
Of course, the cinema doesn’t have to charge for admission. He could make his money some other way – say, by selling advertising. Which is back where we started. People aren’t willing to pay an admission fee for web pages, so the main income stream for many websites is by selling adverts. Unfortunately, sometimes the adverts that intermediaries put up aren’t the ones you would choose to have associated with your web page…
about 1 year ago
“Actually, I’m not a great fan of IP in general. However, if we’re going to have it, though, the laws concerning it should be consistent. As I said in my post, if this kind of thing went on in print or on TV, lawyers would have a field day; why is it OK for it to go on in Internet advertising?”
It goes on all the time in print and television. It’s almost unheard of for the subject of any media to have a say in what sort of advertising goes to support that media.
about 1 year ago
Iconic>It’s almost unheard of for the subject of any media to have a say in what sort of advertising goes to support that media.
So I could indeed use Tom Cruise’s image to sell shoes? Even if I hadn’t paid him and he didn’t wear the make of shoes I was selling? I could just take a publicity photo of him and as “payment” for hosting it on my web site use it to advertise shoes?
Richard
about 1 year ago
“So I could indeed use Tom Cruise’s image to sell shoes?”
You could run a story about Tom Cruise’s religious beliefs and in the corner of the screen pop an advertisement to buy shoes, or cut to a commercial to buy shoes. You could even run a story about Tom Cruise’s religious beliefs, and then show a commercial from the Mormons, of which Tom Cruise is not a member. As long as Tom Cruise’s image isn’t directly a part of your advertisement and you’re not making an effort to make it appear that Tom Cruise endorses your product, then you’re probably fine.
I’m sure you don’t think that every time a celebrity appears on the news, or does an interview, or appears in a magazine article, or one of their works appears, that they are given the option to decide on what sort of advertisements will appear.
about 1 year ago
Just to be clear and expand on my previous point:
If Gold Seller Company tries to claim that Richard Bartle buys gold or wants you to buy gold, then they’ve obviously stepped over the line. The mere fact that they want their advertisements to appear to whoever happens to be searching for information on Richard Bartle is NOT stepping over the line.
about 1 year ago
@Richard Bartle: I wonder what the other persons with the name Richard Bartle would think about you feeling entitled to such control over what gets placed near your name.
I share my full name with the drummer from Foghat. He’s not universally known, but it means I’m often subjected to his whims and while I’m sure he’s a nice guy, I’m not terribly appreciative of it.
My girlfriend notes that searching for her full name brings up pornstar results. She’s not bitter about that, she just laughs. Why should she have control over a name that’s fairly common?
Here’s a question: Have you Trademarked your name?
Tom Cruise gets benefits from his Trademarked name that I wholly and unequivocally disagree with, but at least he took that step. Sting on the other hand got laughed out of court when a kid brought a dictionary as his lawyer.
Welcome to the World Wide Web.
Once you collect so many people together, having expectations of entitlement over your personal name– dammit if you were someone else, I’d have pretty nasty things to say about that.
I’ll say it for Tom Cruise. He can shove his Trademarked name, I don’t respect it one whit.
about 1 year ago
Iconic>and you’re not making an effort to make it appear that Tom Cruise endorses your product
This is the point where we disagree, I think. From my point of view, linking someone’s name to some product does make it seem as if they approve of that product.
Rog>Have you Trademarked your name?
No, I haven’t. I don’t need to do that to defend myself from libel, so why should I have to do it to defend myself from ads that associate me with products with which I don’t want to be associated?
Different countries have different “personality rights” that protect individuals to a greater or lesser degree. For example, Germany allows people whose names are used without permission to sue for damages if the names are used for “enrichment” (and advertising counts as enrichment). http://personalityrightsdatabase.com/index.php?title=Germany
Rog>having expectations of entitlement over your personal name
So those game-farming ads were there because some other Richard Bartle who wrote some other book called Designing Virtual Worlds was worth hanging an ad off?
I agree that there are problems with so many people having the same name. That doesn’t mean nothing can be done about it, though. I’m not a lawyer, but it looks to me as if German law would allow a Tom Cruise who wasn’t a film star to advertise shoes if it was made clear which Tom Cruise it was doing the advertising; likewise, any articles linking Tom Cruise to a mad cult would have to be clear which Tom Cruise was being linked to it.
Names are just labels, but people are people. If they share a name, you need to be more specific about who they are (eg. show a picture) if you want to talk about the person. Advertising which merely attaches itself to labels can’t do that; this raises the question as to whether it should be allowed. It certainly doesn’t feel great to be on the receiving end of it…
Richard
about 12 months ago
You people annoy me. RMT != micro-transactions. RMT is NOT a business model (yet). Micro-transactions are a business model. Failure to understand this makes you look retarded.
Onto the main post: the fundamental problem is Google is allowed to make money off other people’s IP and content. Yes, you can set up a website to be unsearchable, but that STILL DOES NOT STOP GOOGLE FROM MAKING MONEY FROM IT.
I like Google. I think Google is good for tech. However, at some point, Google is going to start acting a bit to monopolistic to slide by and if they’re Golden Goose (search) ever gets gutted, a lot of nice things are going to go bye-bye on the Internet.
Google needs to police themselves.