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For The Love Of Ayn Rand, Do Not Quote From Marx Or The World Will End In FIRE
Build 1.0: You see a comely lass in a short skirt and a low cut blouse emblazoned with the Evony logo that beckons to you brazenly. WHAT SHALL YOU DO, GOOD SIRRAH.

Build 2.0: You see Prokofy Neva. RESPOND! RESPOND NOW!

Build 3.0: Realize that you have achieved a masterwork of commentary on the human condition that “MBA Fanboys” can never comprehend. Have a Paul of Tarsus moment where you are struck with the beauty of your innovation creating a game with real moral choices that quote from the greats of philosophy and literature. Ignore prior art such as Bioshock and Civilization. File patent so that your genius is properly compensated.

Bonus points: make sure you have as many reference to whoring women in your patent application as humanly possible.




Also, include a message board thread. Patent reviewers love that.

Build 4.0: Write a book. Write a Gamasutra blog. Just freaking WRITE. A lot. Ignore all the hataz. Get a non-profit grant to fund your hyperlibertarian game design. Get a faculty position at Pepperdine.

Build 5.0: Smoke a bowl. Get a hot model to pimp your media empire. Ask her which philosopher she’d quote.

Congratulations! You’ve won the game. Or, as Trotsky would say, “insurrection is an art, and like all art, has its own laws.” (WORLD IS LOST)
Hat tips: mystery, Metafilter, SA/LF!
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about 1 year ago
Boggle.
about 1 year ago
Wait, we’re on the porn standard now? That explains all those pallets of DVDs they were taking into Fort Knox…
about 1 year ago
What. The. Fuck.
about 1 year ago
I am trying to formulate a response to that patent filing, but all I can keep thinking is TIMECUBE!
about 1 year ago
“Quote me as saying I was mis-quoted.”
about 1 year ago
Little-known fact: those guys at the USPO are suckers for any patent that makes multiple references to Vampire-Communists.
about 1 year ago
As a lawyer and a gamer, reading this ruined my entire day.
about 1 year ago
… what. What in the hell kind of insanity performance art is this.
about 1 year ago
“… what. What in the hell kind of insanity performance art is this.”
Actually I think it’s the kind where nobody will publish your shitty polemic against video games so you use the USPTO as your publishing house.
about 1 year ago
tldr
about 1 year ago
FFS!
about 1 year ago
Oh my bleep.
Did anyone actually _READ_ that patend app and those flowcharts? It seems more like one of those bad “Choose your path” adventure books than anything decent.
Make all the right decisions, based on what the game maker says? World is saved. Have a difference of political/economic views than the game maker? World is doomed! Doomed! DOOMED, I tell you! Repent! Embrace the one true ideal!
Geez, was that patent app actually approved??? Haven’t people heard of prior art — tons of books just like that?
about 1 year ago
Y’know, if my choices are living alone with a cat or living with a dickhead like that, the cat wins EVERY SINGLE TIME.
about 1 year ago
I can’t tell if this guy is serious or being ironic, but I will assume that he is serious.
1. The patent is most probably useless since nobody with any clue about making games would make one where you have to quote the correct philosophy or literature in the game to advance. Why wouldn’t this be done in the gameplay? Heck, the first time I remember moral decisions like this was in Ultima 4 which was 20-25 years ago. Maybe someone should give him a copy of Ultima 4.
2. He seems to think this is easy. He wants to get to “Epic Storytelling” (his words) by branching dialogue. Branching storylines are limited and have been beaten into the ground. Creating a compelling story world where stories are told is very difficult (and I think hasn’t been done).
As a baseline, such a world must have very good character AI in it. One of my favorite quotes about working in the area of believable characters comes from Online Alchemy: http://www.onlinealchemy.com/AITech.asp
“Dynemotion is not state-based or built on any traditional AI architecture. It has elements of a beliefs-desires-intentions (BDI) architecture and other layered architectures. Neural nets, self-organizing maps, and genetic algorithms are not explicitly used in Dynemotion, but it incorporates elements from each. Dynemotion also relies on software implementations of psychological and neuroscience models.”
It’s so hard that he doesn’t even know enough to start asking the right questions, let alone finding the right answers. He is apparently taking the first, most obvious idea that anyone who has ever thought about this comes up with and decided to base his career on it. (I can’t wait for this SECOND patent where he realizes he needs a Story Engine/Drama Manager and patents the idea without actually going into the details of realizing it’s really hard.) The reason nobody else is going down this path is that after a little bit of thinking about it, most people come to realize that this is a VERY HARD PROBLEM and that branching dialogue cannot get you to epic storytelling.
PROTIP: There is something that everyone should keep in mind when they’re coming up with new ideas:
There are a lot of smart people out there. If something is easy for you to think up and you think it’s easy to implement, then a lot of other people have thought about it, too. If they’re not using your simple, easy idea, then it isn’t because they’re stupid. It’s that the idea is wrong or difficult to implement and you haven’t worked hard enough on the problem or thought about it enough for those problems to become evident to you.
AI research generally involves trying to pretty much solve a narrow class of problems experienced by humans. Attempting to make believeable characters and going beyond cardboard cutout black/white good/bad dichotomies is beyond the ability of branching dialogue to accomplish.
3. I can’t tell if you linked to a patent application or a manifesto. I don’t think he realizes that many people in the game industry want to make a great work of art where players experience a world where they can do more than just kill everything in their path…but it’s realy hard. And his examples are taken straight from the “Wouldn’t it be awesome if” Late Night Dorm Room Bullshit Sessions ™ series, but it looks like this guy is paid to come up with this stuff and he thinks they’re somehow novel ideas.
When developers say they don’t know if games will ever tell great stories, it isn’t because they don’t want to, it’s because they don’t know how. They probably don’t want to be quoted as saying it’s possible and end up looking like donkeys when it doesn’t happen for another 50 years.
about 1 year ago
Actually now that I’ve read some of the stuff….
I think that guy back in the 80s on those TV paid advertising scams was a better salesman. What was his name… Johnny Woo? He was the asian guy with the ads with him in a sports car, next to swimsuit models, and owning a mansion while promising you can just be like me if you buy my book and follow this plan.
about 1 year ago
This late in the day, after many hours of work, my brain cannot comprehend what my eyes just saw!
I liked the flow charts though.
about 1 year ago
SA/LF all love.
about 1 year ago
I found another little fun thing from this guy:
http://forum.deviantart.com/jobs/offers/1323752/
I think he may run into more Feminized Vampire Communists on deviantart than he knows what to do with…
about 1 year ago
I am in awe.
I do want to point out though that my own pension is now only partially bolstered by the destruction of the Judeo Christian soul, the desecration of motherhood, and the exile of the family. My tax guy suggested I diversify a few years back, so I have a decent holding in Chinese communist revisionist imperialism and Swiss Francs.
about 1 year ago
It’s like what would happen if Ayn Rand created HYBRID.
So beautiful…should have sent…a poet…
about 1 year ago
Guys, I think I get it now. THE FIFTH ELEMENT IS HOOKERS.
about 1 year ago
This is so funny. I wish I could say more, but I can’t. Thanks for making my (and a few other’s) day.
about 1 year ago
@John Arras:
You don’t understand, you don’t argue with that. That’s pure net.crazy, that’s like the guy on IRC that argues about zeropoint physics or cold fusion. You really have to check out his webpage and blog to get the true impact of the insanity. His web pages is nothing but quotes from classic authors and bandwidth-killing pictures of this one hot girl wearing a swimsuit mostly and posing. Either he is God level-awesome and doing this as an insane stunt, or he needs medication.
Look at this little gem from a blog comment reply:
“Alone our lone rider stands in the thundering downpour, as the lightning reveals the grotesque swarm–the horror of their collective countenance is only trumped by the screeching words. Alone he stands, with his 45; and if he has done the right thing throughout, legend has it that the 45 will glow gold and shoot Zeus’s lighting, slaying the hundreds, if not thousands of rough Vampire/Communist/Zombie beasts who slouch his way, screaming, distorting the words/slogans of the declining fiatocracy in a most demonic manner.
See? There are billions of dollars $$$$ in the novel, emotional, exalting gameplay alone. I know you can feel it deep in your bones. You *want* to hold that Gold 45 Revolver. Or you want to obliterate it and that lone rider. But either way, you know you *have* to play the game. That will be $69.95 for the collector’s edition, complete with a metal box. For $179.95, you will also get a life-like Gold 45 Revolver replica, based on the single-action Colt .45–the Peacemaker Smokewagon–the Judge Colt and His Jury of Six.”
or even better, in the same thread:
“Imagine you are standing in Best Buy. There are two versions of Gears of War. In one, the Locust Horde can be reformed and brought over to your side by quoting excerpts from the US Constitution–by engaging in dialogue–and where, in order to win, you are going to need to win their minds/hearts and souls. In the other version, you can only shoot them in campaign after campaign. Which would you buy?”
Thank you, Lum, for posting this, this is some fine insanity. You wonder what his students at pepperdine must endure.
about 1 year ago
” Attempting to make believeable characters and going beyond cardboard cutout black/white good/bad dichotomies is beyond the ability of branching dialogue to accomplish.”
This is why I was so dissapointed in The Witcher. I mean I liked the combat and alchemy systems, but everyone raved about “all the choices” there were few to no choices. It was just “save it, do it twice, move on” they say they tried to make it so you couldnt do that, but mostly failed. They say they tried to make it seem like all choices were morally equal, but failed at that too.
I think the only game that did it well was KOTOR, because I could force the Wookie to kill his best friend. That made it all worth it.
about 1 year ago
Scott. That post was the work of a genius.
about 1 year ago
Hi I’m a picture with words and you can’t read me.
about 1 year ago
Firefox -> View -> Zoom -> Zoom In if your eyesight is not exalted like mine.
about 1 year ago
Wow.
Ho-ly shit.
(unable to formulate a response)
(views gold45revolver.com)
(head explodes)
Pepperdine professor uses position to meet women, take swimsuit pics of them, post them to site somehow about gaming? Or… what? There’s nothing other than SI calendar pics on that site? *head explodes again*
about 1 year ago
the chick with the 6 shooters is kinda hawt
about 1 year ago
This man is a fountain of amazing. His anonymous wiki edit fights are wonderful, where he does nothing but pimp his own page and vandalize physics theories/physicists he doesn’t like.
about 1 year ago
This is hilarious! His naivete about the market is just….precious. Anyone who is convinced gamers want to play by quoting historical writings at NPCs is clearly possessed of such an enviably childlike ability to live in an ivory tower that it’d be a crime to burst his bubble. Doing so would be like taking an adorable little kitten and forcing it through a Clockwork Orange-esque process to rid said feline of its innocence. That’s just cruel. Let him live out his fantasy and just enjoy watching him like you’d enjoy that kitten frustrated by a ball of string that’s stuck behind the couch.
–matt
about 1 year ago
His game, brought to life: http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/500921
It’s just as good as you’d think. His rantings are a walkthrough for it…
about 1 year ago
Looks like another Internet Crazy Person (and thus not really worth refuting), but a truly exceptional one. He gets big cash grants and hangs out with beach babes, so he knows something I don’t.
But the flowcharts in the patent application are AMAZING. I had to force myself to stop reading them for fear of being infected with some brain virus that will manifest itself the next time I write town dialogue.
- Jeff Vogel
http://www.spiderwebsoftware.com/
about 1 year ago
VALIS is a better read. (Plus it’s fiction.)
about 1 year ago
Patents are not hard to *provisionally* file. But to actually have them reviewed by the USPTO or an other country’s agency costs thousands of legal dollars. From your description the douche probably did it just to claim on his resume that he has a “patent pending”, which is easy to do.
about 1 year ago
the treatis is beyond me – the web page:
1. HTML can be written on more than one page. – free hint
2. Most cameras have a white balance feature – learn it
3. Thats a .38 at best – the 45 has a Huge barrel – google is your friend
4. one hot brunette in a red bikini in a pile of eye searing junk
5. Just cause she lets you take pictures doesnt mean she’s a model – okay that one was a bit mean
about 1 year ago
We need a new Trope at TvTropes.org: YouFailGameDesignForever
about 1 year ago
Maybe make that: YouFailStoryDesignForever
about 1 year ago
Those nutty kits and Metaplace. What WILL they come up with next?
@John Arras
In what country do you live? This is the 21st century we’re talking about. Basic premise is
1. File patent application for something entirely too vague and/or impossible to make as of this moment
2. Sit on said patent. Maybe do something just to keep patent people happy
3. Watch someone else build something that, in the right light, might look like something you own said patent for
4. Once said project is now up and profitable (or they have buckets of cash already) you pick the right time and get your lawyer to file a lawsuit (preferably over a holiday weekend or during some other occasion where their lawyers will be slower to react)
5. Hope like crazy that the judge at least lets it go forward
6. If you survived step 5 and can get a judge/jury to agree that, yes, you really have patented that thing PROFIT
So it doesn’t matter if its impossible or even really hard to do. Imagine some game where you have even the smallest discussion tree. You could claim that such a mechanism infringes on this patent.
@Tide
Maybe, but there could be some people in Malibu (where Pepperdine is) who would pony up the $20k or so in the hopes that their patent trolling would pay dividends later. The Blackberry trolls hit it big, after all.
about 1 year ago
I don’t know what’s up with this guy.
As a fellow who is indeed working on creating games with meaningful choices (in between protracted bouts of procrastination) it seems unlikely that I’d need to worry about his patent. The concept is so abstract that he may well be trying to copyright choice itself, and he missed his chance to establish original precedent of proof of concept some time around when programmers invented the If statement .
If he’s making a spectacle out of himself to make us painfully aware of what’s wrong in America, then he’s actually a brilliant liberal-leaning thinker who has infiltrated a Christian business school for the affluent. Bravo, well played sir.
On the other hand, if he’s serious, then what we see here is one of the more dangerous forces in human existence. A man instilled with great passion to succeed while simultaneously having a moral structure shed of critical thought, with social connections that may well vindicate any resulting monstrosities he brings.
I fear it may be the later. There reaches a certain point where intelligence, unchecked by awareness, can reach a crescendo of such overpowering madness that it becomes an infectious force that destroys everything and everyone it touches. Every once in awhile throughout history, we’re given a reminder that we haven’t evolved that far from an easily excitable Ape after all. I don’t worry so much about an individual, such is merely a symptom, so much as the social environment they must live in that such madness is created and empowered to act.
about 1 year ago
“Let the feminist movement triumph, and abortion and porn reign supreme, for women like porn far more than men do. Men just watch it while women are in it…”
For the love of god we should all be contributing to a fund to pay this man and Derek Smart to collaborate on making Dawn. None of us would play it, but we’d all be entertained for years non-the-less.
about 1 year ago
I think this actually wins the title of most epic dick patent in the history of humankind.
And that’s saying a lot.
My mind can’t even begin to comprehend the epic failure of this tard, the patent review system, and whoever gives him funding.
Seriously, my mind just refuses to compute this right now.
On the plus side, it’s nice when despite our differences, we of the gaming blogosphere can all agree to point and /fail at a common enemy.
about 1 year ago
Seriously, you just like making my eyes bleed with flow charts.
about 1 year ago
Pure bullshit. I can’t stare at it, it burns.
about 1 year ago
“One step forward, two steps backward.” Lenin
about 1 year ago
“In legal terms, any person who invents or discovers any new and useful process, machine, manufacture, or composition of matter, or any new and useful improvement thereof, may obtain a patent, subject to the conditions and requirements of the law.
You Can’t Be Too Obvious
Even if you don’t find the prior art to prove it – you will not get a patent if your invention is not different enough from similiar inventions that are already out there. A patent maybe refused if the differences between your invention and another invention are too obvious. Your invention must be sufficiently different from what has been used or described before that it may be said to be nonobvious to a person having ordinary skill in the area of technology related to your invention. For example, the substitution of one material for another, or changes in size, are ordinarily not patentable. You can’t paint paint it red and make it twice as big and expect a patent.”
–http://inventors.about.com/od/patents/a/patent_novelty.htm
about 1 year ago
http://www.gamasutra.com/blogs/DrElliotMcGucken/20090710/2366/That_will_be_6995_for_the_collectors_edition.php
“You guys just aren’t thinking big enough. We were graced with divine reason and imagination, so why not use it? Think like a developer/marketer for a major billion-dollar company here; and come up with some scenes exalted by the new “Gold 45 Revolver” technology!
Think big, like in the ending wherein the Fiatocracy’s Vampires/Communists/Feminized MBA Fanboys swarm our lone rider in the mountain town, screaming/shrieking the words of Lenin/Marx/Feminism/Fiatism in Banshee voices, trying to claim his ideas and his soul.
Alone our lone rider stands in the thundering downpour, as the lightning reveals the grotesque swarm–the horror of their collective countenance is only trumped by the screeching words. Alone he stands, with his 45; and if he has done the right thing throughout, legend has it that the 45 will glow gold and shoot Zeus’s lighting, slaying the hundreds, if not thousands of rough Vampire/Communist/Zombie beasts who slouch his way, screaming, distorting the words/slogans of the declining fiatocracy in a most demonic manner.
See? There are billions of dollars $$$$ in the novel, emotional, exalting gameplay alone. I know you can feel it deep in your bones. You *want* to hold that Gold 45 Revolver. Or you want to obliterate it and that lone rider, and destroy/take his ideas and his soul. But either way, you know you *have* to play the game. That will be $69.95 for the collector’s edition, complete with a metal box. For $179.95, you will also get a life-like Gold 45 Revolver replica, based on the single-action Colt .45–the Peacemaker Smokewagon–the Judge Colt and His Jury of Six.
Who wouldn’t want to play that, just to see if their Gold 45 Revolver fires Zeus’s lightning in the end, or just a little puff of smoke, like a fanboy who took out his hate for the feminist movement (which debauched his father’s classical, epic soul and exiled him in the divorce regime) by killing too many unarmed women and innocent hookers?”
haha h aha ha ha
about 1 year ago
The Gerry’s Quest game is absolute brilliance, hands down.
about 1 year ago
I was giving the benefit of the doubt about being an ironic piece… until I visited that blog at Gamasutra (http://www.gamasutra.com/blogs/DrElliotMcGucken/20090710/2366/That_will_be_6995_for_the_collectors_edition.php)
Definitely not ironic…. Timecube levels of crazy there.
about 1 year ago
That’s a hell of a lot of text. I just skipped to the gal in the cowboy hat.
about 1 year ago
You said that name, Lum. You said that name and it appeared.
about 1 year ago
A couple points. His gamasutra blog is a member blog not an expert blog which is the equivalent of blogspot.com. If you sign up at gamasutra you can start your own blog. Secondly he is a “visiting instructor” not a tenure track professor.
about 1 year ago
I read his post on mods on his Gamasutra blog. That’s just fucking insane.
You know, with all his references to “killing hookers”, “saving hookers”, “saving unarmed women”, “killing unarmed women”, I’d love to hear from one of his previous girlfriends. I can pretty much guarantee what his “Golden 45 that shoots Zeus’ lightning” would be in that relationship and how he views women.
Nor would I be surprised if he gets pulled over with some dead hookers in his trunk, screaming, “RESEARCH! RESEARCH FOR THE EXALTED ART ENTREPRENEUR THAT WILL MAKE BILLIONS!”
about 1 year ago
The Gerry’s Quest game is absolute brilliance, hands down.
AYN RAND’S WALL OF TEXT IS SUPER EFFECTIVE!
about 1 year ago
Where are that chick’s eyes?
about 1 year ago
It’s the inconsistency required to win Gerry’s Quest that makes it a keeper.
They’re there, but apparently the color difference was lost when the picture was shrunk.
about 1 year ago
@Vajarra: IN YOUR SOUL
about 1 year ago
War of Text Walls III has begun.
about 1 year ago
Boanerges got it right! They are just waiting for a good victim to sue for copyright infringment and they will, as countless others, file their lawsuit in a Texas court. They even put the example of Marx and Communism/Socialism for those seem to be Berserk Triggers in US.
about 1 year ago
He puts the surf in serfdom.
Being crazy for a living must be fun, if you don’t have any friends or respect for education.
about 1 year ago
So this its how it feels an attack from Cthulhu. That said, i always wanted to know what kind of unoriginal psycho designed Evony. I bet that he stoled because the CHAOTIC EVIL masterminds of WoWMines told him that he couldnt put communist vampires, it was too obvious.
about 1 year ago
wishes she could hang with Pink for a day.
about 1 year ago
CTRL + didn’t work for me. I’m broken?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v611/bonedead/imblind.jpg
about 1 year ago
Hmm. If we’re shifting to the “porn standard” of currency through the use of credit cards I wonder what I can get with my saved milage points.
about 1 year ago
you all know you would play the gold 45 revolver game.
if only to smite it. but you would enjoy it!
about 1 year ago
awesome interview: http://www.ae2n.net/page7/page39/page39.html
How do you conceive or envision “entrepreneurship” and it’s context in Arts education?
Entrepreneurship was perhaps best defined by Shakespeare in a Midsummer Night’s Dream:
The poet’s eye, in fine frenzy rolling,
Doth glance from heaven to earth, from earth to heaven;
And as imagination bodies forth
The forms of things unknown, the poet’s pen
Turns them to shapes and gives to airy nothing
A local habitation and a name.
Entrepreneurship is about giving “an airy nothing a local habitation and a name.”
Artists naturally do this, and with a bit of wisdom regarding the law and business, they too can make their passions their professions. They can incorporate and protect their IP. The act of original creation is the hard part–the poet’s vision is where the everlasting value lies.
And when one realizes that our laws originate within Story and Myth, and that all our business principles are based on such classical laws, one sees that artists, prophets, and poets–those who conceived of the fundamental framework of freedom–were the original entrepreneurs.
At the end of the day, I want to help artists everywhere make their passions their professions.
I hope AE&T can help!
about 1 year ago
seems mba fanboys hae a thin skin. hahaha ha.
about 1 year ago
UnSub writes:
“12:11 am on July 16th, 2009
I read his post on mods on his Gamasutra blog. That’s just fucking insane.
You know, with all his references to “killing hookers”, “saving hookers”, “saving unarmed women”, “killing unarmed women”, I’d love to hear from one of his previous girlfriends. I can pretty much guarantee what his “Golden 45 that shoots Zeus’ lightning” would be in that relationship and how he views women. ”
Hey unsub. It’s the mba fanboys who are pro hooker-killing, investing hundres of millions ofdollars in fanboy fanatasie technology.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=587vgvDYjYU (fanboy mba fantasies)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KQSjeu4710 (fanboy mba fantasies)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7b9SbFzIp0 (fanboy mba fantasies)
What’s wrong with speaking up for women? Whats wrong with criticizing fanboy mba fantasies?
about 1 year ago
“When I was a fanboy, I spake as a fanboy, I understood as a fanboy, I thought as a fanboy: but when I became a man, I put away fanboy things.”
http://www.gamasutra.com/blogs/DrElliotMcGucken/20090709/2322/The_Novel_quotGold_45_RevolverIdeas_Have_Consequences_Moral_Premisequot_Game_Technologies_Will_Be_Worth_Billions_of_Dollars.php
awesome:
Yes–to you and many fanboy MBAs, killing hookers and unarmed women may be exciting and titillating and profound, while words exalting the timeless wisdom of the Great Books and Classics are “inane” “walls of text.” Just as Sauron created armies of soulless Orcs in The Lord of The Rings, the fiatocracy is creating armies of fatherless MBA fanboys in our real world (who plundered/destroyed Merrill/AIG/BEar/Lehman as if they were playing GTA/Fallout). The fanboy MBAs lack the Zeus/Moses spirit of classic, epic justice; so that they find the glorious Constitution and its epic, classical underpinnings to be nothing more than inane, “giant walls of text.” The fiatocracy has succeeded in an epic manner–just look at our soulless games, our soulless culture, our soulless academies, and our withering families and economy, for Aristotle reminds us that “when storytelling declines, the result is decadence.” Do you really think you can chainsaw Aristotle with that Lancer there, or blow away Socrates with your mere BFG? Even if you do, his words will yet dictate tomorrow’s renaissance in games:
“O my friend, why do you who are a citizen of the great and mighty and wise city of Athens, care so much about laying up the greatest amount of money and honor and reputation, and so little about wisdom and truth and the greatest improvement of the soul, which you never regard or heed at all? Are you not ashamed of this? And if the person with whom I am arguing says: Yes, but I do care; I do not depart or let him go at once; I interrogate and examine and cross-examine him, and if I think that he has no virtue, but only says that he has, I reproach him with undervaluing the greater, and overvaluing the less. And this I should say to everyone whom I meet, young and old, citizen and alien, but especially to the citizens, inasmuch as they are my brethren. For this is the command of God, as I would have you know; and I believe that to this day no greater good has ever happened in the state than my service to the God. For I do nothing but go about persuading you all, old and young alike, not to take thought for your persons and your properties, but first and chiefly to care about the greatest improvement of the soul. I tell you that virtue is not given by money, but that from virtue come money and every other good of man, public as well as private. This is my teaching, and if this is the doctrine which corrupts the youth, my influence is ruinous indeed. But if anyone says that this is not my teaching, he is speaking an untruth. Wherefore, O men of Athens, I say to you, do as Anytus bids or not as Anytus bids, and either acquit me or not; but whatever you do, know that I shall never alter my ways, not even if I have to die many times. ” –Socrates’ Apology
But too, the rebellion hath begun, and another army is growing–an army of brave and bold men armed with Gold 45 Revolvers and classical, epic, immutable knowledge.
What specifically do you find inane about the patent(s)? And if it is so inane, why do you simply just ignore it, rather than posting numerous posts pertaining to it?
Over the past two months, the novel “Gold 45 Revolver/Zeus Lightning/Ideas Have Consequences/Moral Premise” technologies have been the *most-talked-about* novel video-game research out there. This sort of buzz, without any funding whatsovever, is worth millions. Imagine if someone actually built a game incorporating the technology!
There are dozens of games out there which have received millions in funding which do not have anywhere near the buzz, nor natural emotional/spiritual/intellectual appeal and engagement, of these present innovations and inventions, and thus will be DOA. Those are some vast egos who would rather hype yesteryear’s technologies while ignoring eternal wisdom, rather than serving the rising demand for classical, exalted games. The cost of such out-sized egos are millions upon millions of dollars to their shareholders and investors–billions of dollars and thousands of jobs will be lost because of the MBA/fanboy’s out-sized egos and supreme arrogance which trumps even their ignorance.
What I am offering them is a simple, elemental technology that would forever enshrine the early adopters as those who helped father the epic exaltation of video games as classical art, complete with the Aristotlean third act and its catharsis. Fame, honor, glory, and billions of dollars await the brave and bold visionaries who find the courage to serve exalted idealism, but like Odysseus’s lost men in Homer’s Odyssey, who Odysseus tried to save and exalt, many would rather eat the Lotus and dine on the cattle of Sun God; and will thusly be turned into mere, hooker-killing pigs, and cast into Dante’s Inferno.
The Odyssey:
Sing in me, Muse, and through me tell the story
of that man skilled in all ways of contending,
the wanderer, harried for years on end,
after he plundered the stronghold
on the proud height of Troy.
He saw the townlands
and learned the minds of many distant men,
and weathered many bitter nights and days
in his deep heart at sea, while he fought only
to save his life, to bring his shipmates home.
But not by will nor valor could he save them,
for their own recklessness destroyed them all —
children and fools, they killed and feasted on
the cattle of Lord Hêlios, the Sun,
and he who moves all day through the heaven
took from their eyes the dawn of their return. . . .
Translated by Robert Fitzgerald (1961)
On his way down through the Inferno, Dante encountered the MBA/fanboys, and just as EA is placing Beatrice in Hell (the exact opposite of the Dante’s vision), you can bet they will be placing the MBA/fanboy in Paradisio, thusly leading to a boring, dull game lacking soul and spirit, but merely serving as a God of War mod, as so many are already saying. The game seems sooo boring and such a dull non-entity that they can’t even get real Christians to protest it, but have to hire fake ones like they did @ E3. Well, with far, far less funding; my research and novel patents are exalting far, far more buzz. All that EA needs do is return Beatrice to heaven and infuse the Inferno with Dante’s intent and moral premises and they will reap billions, but the MBA/fanboys can’t see beyond the boobies:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bERzMBTy77c “Jace Hall – Katee Sackhoff & Dante’s Inferno”
For the moral premise thunders through all the now-banned and censored epic art, as sure as it was the Lord’s *Thunder* Moses heard on the mountain whence he received the Ten Commandments, as sure as Zeus threw *Thunderbolts* of Justice. But the fiatocracy’s snarky MBA/fanboys were taught to hate, fear, and detest the classic epics in our fiat academies–to exalt the bottom line over the higher ideals–to lust after the fleeting fantasies and snark the epic poetry–to favor fiat money over manly meaning–to detest the qualities of those original, epic heroes–Moses and Odysseus–who would never in a million years kill a hooker, but only seek to save them and exalt them, as Clint Eastwood did in A Fistful of Dollars–Sergio Leone’s original masterpiece. The fanboy/MBA was promoted in proportion to their lack of soul and intellect; in proportion to their lack of love for honor and morality, in proportion to their servile willingness to exile classical art and the epic, moral soul from the realm of video games, and merely giggle at hooker/unarmed-women-killing technologies and boobies:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=587vgvDYjYU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KQSjeu4710&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7b9SbFzIp0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLmf2AJWQiY&feature=fvw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bERzMBTy77c
Well, soon the hookers will be armed with Gold 45 Revolver which shoot Zeus’s lightning.
Hundreds of millions of dollars were invested into the above videos, and the hilarious thing is that the fanboys were then commanded to go forth and proclaim that there is no room for morality–no room for ideas which have consequences and epic story and moral premises–no room for defending the Constitution and its classical epic context, no room for the Gold 45 which fired Zeus’s lightning, “because of budgetary constraints.” But truth be told, had you doubled Fallout 3′s budget, we all know that the fanboy MBAs would have just come up with another dozen ways to kill a hooker.
–http://www.destructoid.com/videogames-are-stupid-and-babyish-states-games-journa
list–126722.phtml
“I’ve been covering the games industry for eight years, mainly for mainstream outlets, and I often find myself acting as a translator,” stated Chaplin at GDC’s rant panel this week. “… It’s not that the medium is in its adolescence, it’s that you’re a bunch of ****ing adolescents. It’s even worse because you’re technically supposed to be adults.”
Chaplin wasn’t the only one on the “Burned By Friendly Fire: Game Critics Rant” panel. There were plenty of names that you could expect to see on a panel with such a grandiose title — Leigh Alexander, N’gai Croal, they were all there, and they all had something to say on the subject. Still, it’s Chaplin that took the gold trophy by describing how immature and pathetic the industry is. There’s no Bob Dylan of gaming, allegedly, because everyone in the industry is a baby. ”
http://www.destructoid.com/videogames-are-stupid-and-babyish-states-games-journa
list–126722.phtml
“When I was a fanboy, I spake as a fanboy, I understood as a fanboy, I thought as a fanboy: but when I became a man, I put away fanboy things.”
Yes–it is time to put down that controller & pick up the classic, epic books:
http://artsentrepreneurship.com (Where fanboys go so as to become men.)
http://gold45revolver.com
about 1 year ago
What the hell is a fanboy mba?
about 1 year ago
Just my thought, JuJutsu…
about 1 year ago
i think it’s a fanboy who got their mba.
just a guess.
i heard they like killing hookers too, and funnel hundreds of millions into such technologies, while also banning depth, story, honor, love, and romance from games.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=587vgvDYjYU (fanboy mba fantasies)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KQSjeu4710 (fanboy mba fantasies)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7b9SbFzIp0 (fanboy mba fantasies)
i would imagine that in their hands the gold 45 would not glow gold nor shoot zeus’s lightning.
about 1 year ago
@Steven: You are fast becoming the crazy opposite of this raging douche. Activate control measures or watch your cities perish in a hail of madness.
about 1 year ago
Actually I am fairly certain “Steven” is in fact Dr. McGucken. The good doctor has a long and storied history of sock puppetry.
about 1 year ago
Oh, good. For a moment there I thought there was an official Masters of Fanboy Administration program out there. Good thing to know that you can still get the old-fashioned sort of MBA if you turn in enough Lucky Charms box-tops.
about 1 year ago
I kid. Above comment should not be taken too seriously.
about 1 year ago
I remember this guy from Usenet WAAAAY back in tha day. He used to post long, long, epically long, James Michener-feeling-expansive long, walls of text to rec.arts. books. I recall him having beefs against whatever university he was attending at the time — i think UNC-Chapel Hill.
about 1 year ago
The real question is how they managed to get through the patent process so quickly!
Under 2 years? Amazing!
about 1 year ago
The funny thing is I played in a D&D campaign where the villains were, yes, communist vampires. Except when we did it, it was awesome, whereas this is consistently lame.
I guess Comrade Dracula needs to be used sparingly.
(There were zombies, but I don’t know if any were feminists – we didn’t stop to ask).
about 1 year ago
I was going to complain about the implication that “quoting classics” should be equivalent to “thinking” – I’d rather people try to stumble through their *own* thought process rather than just indexing the proper optimized pithy quote.
But then I played Gerry’s Quest. All this, the patent application and all, ties beautifully into that masterful work. If one were to encounter Gerry’s Quest on its own, one would go WTF and dismiss it. And if one were to encounter this particular insanity on its own, one would go “timecube” and dismiss it. But together? Art is made. Social commentary is achieved. Society progresses, and the world doesn’t fall to serfdom.
about 1 year ago
Any item of wisdom from the great minds of the ages is but padding on the walls of the personal asylum of one who will only wield them as the bludgeons of ultimate truth they were never intended to be.
about 1 year ago
Now that’s a true conservative. Some people would turn to the socialist big government for a handout to get pills for their mental illness. Not this guy! This guy turns his mental illness into an asset and reaps profit from it in the marketplace of crazy ideas! Bravo!
about 1 year ago
I’m afraid I’ve missed the point here, all I learned is that shooting the Lenin quoting woman is super effective.
about 1 year ago
I think I would pay $69.95 for this game. Not! (Maybe I’d rent it @ blockbuster)
What about you?
Another hilarious thread: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=366448
Where in the prior art can one form a fellowship based upon the ideas/ideals/characters of the NPC’s? In what game does the eventual outcome depend on the character and integrity—the ideals and beliefs—of the fellowship one forms? Re: How much would it be worth to Bethesda/EA/38 Studios/Visceral/Bioware/Ubisoft?
How much would it be worth to put the following on a game box? “It is the dawn of the American Revolution, and it is up to you to build the fellowship that will lead the epic battle for freedom. From tavern to tavern you must walk the streets of Boston, listening in on conversations and recruiting those speaking (and oft whispering) of liberty’s epic ideals. Redcoats and King George’s spies abound, and when you hear the words of Washington, Jefferson, Paine, Madison, Jay, and Hamilton, you must engage the characters by speaking of liberty’s ideals yourself; or lose their trust. Throughout you must select the best words to rally and inspire the troops during the fierce war for freedom–to attract the poet warriors with the greatest characters to fight alongside you. Ideas have consequences and word must be matched with deed, as freedom’s fate falls upon your shoulders. “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. –Thomas Jefferson”"
I argue that such a novel approach to gaming–not only incorporating the words of the actual Founding Fathers–but rendering their consequences (or the dire consequences of their absence)–would be worth hundreds of millions, if not billions.
And wouldn’t that be an awesome game??? Imagine meeting Jefferson and Hamilton, finally defined by their greater aspects–their souls, characters, and words–and actually recruiting Washington to command the forces, based upon his words!
“A slender acquaintance with the world must convince every man that actions, not words, are the true criterion of the attachment of friends.” –George Washington
“Arbitrary power is most easily established on the ruins of liberty abused to licentiousness.” –George Washington
“Associate with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation; for it is better to be alone than in bad company.” –George Washington
Yes–of course we could give all the revolutionary soldiers BFGs and Lancer Chainsaws to satiate the fanboys; but the big draw of the game would be its depth and profundity! And imagine that in one of the Taverns is a hooker with a heart of gold. Hire her and kill her, as is exalted in GTA, and the world is lost. Talk to her, and “lady liberty” will tell you where you can find Thomas Paine.
Video games are a crowded art, and many argue there has been little innovation in the past several years (or decades), especially when it comes to depth, meaningful drama, and storytelling. Of course all the PR departments stamp “depth, character, meaningful drama, and epic storytelling!” on the boxes, just as they stamp “Dante’s Inferno” on the game which places Beatrice in the diametric opposite locale that Dante did, robbing it of its classical soul and Dante’s exalted intent; and nothing really ever changes as the fiatocracy declines, as “Story, drama, character” are payed homage to in corporate press releases, but never in rugged deed.
A small innovation in a field of “crowded art” can go a long, long ways. For instance, applying the patent’s same technology to the traditional Vampire/Zombie game would result in the following enhanced gaming experience:
The “Gold 45 Revolver” mod of Left for Dead would be described with (seriously–the buzz alone on this would be worth millions to EA/Bethesda/Bioware/Visceral/Ubisoft/38studios):
This “Gold 45 Revolver/Ideas Have Consequences/Moral Premise” Mod is based on the L4D Amazon.com description, and it could be easily implemented with a relatively small amount of funding: “Set in a modern day survival-horror universe, the co-operative gameplay of Left 4 Dead (L4D) casts four “Survivors/freedom fighters” in an epic struggle against hordes of swarming zombies/communists and terrifying “Marx Infected” mutants. A new and highly virulent strain of the Marxist virus emerges and spreads through the human population with frightening speed via words, both spoken and written. The pandemic’s victims become grotesquely disfigured, violent psychopaths, attacking the uninfected on sight by handing them pamphlets and espousing Marxist philosophies while trying to bite/harm them. As one of the “lucky” few apparently immune to the sickness, as you have been reading F.A. Hayek, Ludwig Von Mises, and Thomas Jefferson, you, unfortunately, are trapped in a city crawling with thousands of the bloodthirsty Infected. Alone, you’re dead. But together with a handful of fellow survivors, who you can identify and recruit via dialogue trees incorporating Hayek/Jefferson/the Constitution wherein you also assess the NPC’s responses, you might just form a fellowship and fight your way to safety. Players can play as a Survivor or as one of four types of Boss/Marxist Infected, each of whom possess a unique mutant ability, such as a 50-foot tongue lasso, tenure at an ivy league university, an MBA, or a giant belly full of explosive methane gas. The gameplay of L4D is set across four massive campaigns. The zombie population of each mission is choreographed by an AI Director that monitors the human players’ actions and creates a unique and dramatic experience for them on the fly. Zombies may be transformed back into humans by quoting Hayek/Jefferson/et al. to them; but the further they have devolved–the more collectivist literature they have imbibed and the more MBA groupthink classes they have taken–the harder it is to save them. Early on in the game, some Vampire/Zombies may appear to be normal humans, and the only way to find out would be to quote Hayek to them and see if they respond with Lenin or Mises. Some of them can be reformed via dialogue, but for others, they can only be reformed by death. And in the end–only those players who have done their best to reform the Vampires/Zombies in word and deed–only those who have acted morally throughout the game, can truly wield the Gold 45 Revolver and realize its true power as it shoots Zeus’s Lightning while leveling the zombie masters and their hordes. Should you fail to reach and exalt your peers with classical ideals, the world will end as a zombie communist tyranny–”for the greater good of all.”"
–http://www.gamasutra.com/blogs/DrElliotMcGucken/20090709/2322/The_Novel_quotGold_45_RevolverIdeas_Have_Consequences_Moral_Premisequot_Game_Technologies_Will_Be_Worth_Billions_of_Dollars.php
about 1 year ago
Anyone else feel like they’re at a bus stop with a scary naked dude who keeps yelling “I’m invisible! You can’t see me!”?
about 1 year ago
Er, Dr. McGucken (can I call you Elliot?), if you’re going to go to the trouble of using proxies and alternate email providers to post sock puppeted blog comments, you may want to vary your posts just a small, tiny, fractional bit so it’s not blazingly obvious what you’re doing.
about 1 year ago
Also, Dr., since you seem to have this odd fascination with prostitutes, every post you make over 5000 characters, I am going to replace with a quote from a noted prostitute from history or literature. I think you’ll appreciate it.
about 1 year ago
Given that the class he teaches is all about marketing yourself as an artist, this may well be the method behind his madness. No matter how batshit crazy his ideas are, that he markets them successfully is how he establishes himself as a peer on the subject.
Actually, the more batshit crazy the idea, the better. To sell water to desert dwells is no difficult feat, but to convince otherwise rational Eskimos to buy refrigerators through a facade of complete confidence while propping yourself up on the shoulders of giants takes some measure of accomplishment.
I call him dangerous because Eskimos don’t need refrigerators, and the ruthlessness needed to garner a fortune through undermining the practicality of the world requires an morally sterile mindset befitting a mass murderer.
about 1 year ago
What is going on here…I dont get it. Well….I get the guy is two cups of crazy, but….is there some other context (other than his serious issues with women and sexuality) that I am missing here? Or is this just a plain exploration of insanity?
about 1 year ago
forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3143589&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=6
haha — gold 45 @ comic con!
about 1 year ago
Its not that it isnt obvious who makes the long walls of text in defense of the Dr. McGucken who its attacked for this mean rant site…but Lum, are you tracking the IP adress? Just curious.
Oh a little community service: Sock puppeting its the act of one guy (Dr.McGucken) using 3 different usernames for posting in a same thread. Also known as a way of showing that you are a loser without balls. Protip: The huge walls of text are showing your falsehood.
about 1 year ago
http://mccoymountain.com/
http://45surf.com/THE_LEGEND_OF_MCCOY_MOUNTAIN_first-half.pdf
the legend of the gold 45 revolver
about 1 year ago
Yeah, WordPress does that automatically. Which is what’s so hilarious. He’s going to some effort to mask it, apparently.
Not a great deal of effort – the first poster was from a Southern California cablemodem and the second from a public WiFi area. Which I’d chalk up to, you know, being at work or on coffee break, save for the different ‘identities’ as well.
about 1 year ago
IP address is not all that hard to dodge, really. When I tried to drop the fellow word over on my F13 ban, I simply used one of many public proxy servers that are set up for people to get around their work firewalls. (It wasn’t exactly a ban dodge, otherwise I would have gone through the trouble of using a different name).
The Internet was designed to work amongst an honor system of fellow geeks. Had they known it was going to be hijacked by the general public, they wouldn’t have made it so easy to spoof, perhaps going so far as to require a correct NIC card address for packets to function at all. If you had to shell out $20 every time your NIC card was blacklisted, that’d probably slow down spam quite a bit.
about 1 year ago
Hey, dude, guess what! I’ve got a doctorate too! I could go on and on and on about how Libertarians are actually Monarchists in disguise and that the Bavarian Illuminati is going to take control of Video Games with assistance from the Boy Sprouts and the Mafia!
But I won’t!
Because I’m not a freaking loonball!
about 1 year ago
Holy crap. I just read more of it. This is like the timecube+derek smart all in one. I feel like a dummy now for trying to respond intelligently thinking he was just cluelessly patenting a triviality, when he’s…special.
I would call it the GameCube but I like Nintendo.
But I do agree with him on one thing. If you see a commie woman, you should try to convert her using morals and philosophy. But if she turns into a vampire, you gotta bust a cap off in her ass.
about 1 year ago
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But the usual honors which the severity of Roman manners had allowed to the wives of princes, could not satisfy either the ambition of Theodora or the fondness of Justinian. He seated her on the throne as an equal and independent colleague in the sovereignty of the empire, and an oath of allegiance was imposed on the governors of the provinces in the joint names of Justinian and Theodora. The Eastern world fell prostrate before the genius and fortune of the daughter of Acacius. The prostitute who, in the presence of innumerable spectators, had polluted the theatre of Constantinople, was adored as a queen in the same city, by grave magistrates, orthodox bishops, victorious generals, and captive monarchs.
– “Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire”, describing the ascension of the Empress Theodora to the throne of Byzantium
about 1 year ago
Steadfast adherents to the law of attraction are neigh incurable, I’m afraid. Save, perhaps, for the application of undeniable failure that undermines this irrational belief in a truly definitive manner. It’s a fun little high while it lasts, though, to believe that life truly does bend to you whims is an ultimate liberation of sorts.
about 1 year ago
Are we under seige from the crazy all of a sudden?
about 1 year ago
This is the Internet. Crazy is never in short supply.
about 1 year ago
what’s really crazy is my physics theory:
http://www.fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/238
http://www.fqxi.org/data/essay-contest-files/McGucken_Time_as_an_Emergen.pdf
So it is that by providing the motivation for representing a fourth coordinate with x4 = ict, our simple postulate and equation underlies the Lorentz Transformation, Minkowski’s four dimensional treatment of the theory of relativity, and Einstein’s relativity, while also liberating us from a block universe and providing physical interpretations for quantum mechanical phenomenon and statistical mechanics.
about 1 year ago
Oh god. Lets hope the good doctor never multiplies. 1 is more then enough. Just imagine the damage 3 could do. (Which would be 9 posters I guess, including alts)
about 1 year ago
@geldonyetic
Amen. Batshit insane its also on abundance.
And to the Dr. seriously we mock you because you created Evony, which its a blatant walking copyright violation.
about 1 year ago
they don’t mention evony here:
http://www.onelastcontinue.com/9136/vampire-zombie-communist-hookers-patent-it/
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=366448
http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3143589
about 1 year ago
It’s not so much what others do or do not mention, and certainly not what you yourself could mention given that your aim is propagating an illusion, but rather much more of an “actions speak louder than words” situation.
For example, the things you have attempted to patent, and the means you have gone about it, are in themselves a fair confirmation that you may have a benefit to find from qualified psychiatric evaluation.
about 1 year ago
Any professional shrinks around here?
I dated two psych grad students back-to-back but I’m not sure if they ever figured me out. One was Duke and one was UNC.
Looking back on it, they were both a bit crazy, in a good way.
about 1 year ago
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“In America you can get away with murder, but not with sex.”
– Xaveria Hollander
about 1 year ago
If I were your shoes, I’d call my primary care provider and ask for a psychiatric evaluation. Whether they find anything or not, it’s always a good idea to touch base with qualified professionals in the field, and not just people you date or meet on a website.
about 1 year ago
If at first an idea does not seem insane, there is no hope for it. –Einstein
I am but mad North-North-West–when the wind is southerly, I know a hawk from a handsaw. –Shakespeare’s Hamlet
–http://www.gamasutra.com/blogs/DrElliotMcGucken/1169/
about 1 year ago
> Hello, I am Eliza.
* If at first an idea does not seem insane, there is no hope for it.
> Are you saying no just to be negative?
* I am but mad North-North-West–when the wind is southerly, I know a hawk from a handsaw.
> How long have you been but mad North-North-West–when the wind is southerly, you know a hawk from a handsaw?
* http://www.gamasutra.com/blogs/DrElliotMcGucken/1169/
> Say, do you have any psychological problems?
about 1 year ago
why are you guys so intolerant of novel ideas?
System and method for creating exalted video games and virtual realities wherein ideas have consequences United States Patent Application 20090017886 Kind Code:A1
Abstract:A video game method and system for creating games where ideas have consequences, incorporating branching paths that correspond to a player’s choices, wherein paths correspond to decisions founded upon ideals, resulting in exalted games with deeper soul and story, enhanced characters and meanings, and exalted gameplay. The classical hero’s journey may be rendered, as the journey hinges on choices pivoting on classical ideals. Ideas that are rendered in word and deed will have consequences in the gameworld. Historical events such as The American Revolution may be brought to life, as players listen to famous speeches and choose sides. As great works of literature and dramatic art center around characters rendering ideals real, both internally and externally, in word and deed, in love and war, the present invention will afford video games that exalt the classical soul, as well as the great books, classics, and epic films—past, present, and future.
–www.freepatentsonline.com/y2009/0017886.html
about 1 year ago
“Mania: The fast ideas start coming too fast and there are far too many … overwhelming confusion replaces clarity … you stop keeping up with it … memory goes. Infectious humor ceases to amuse. Your friends become frightened … everything is now against the grain … you are irritable, angry, frightened, uncontrollable, and trapped.
If you have three or more of the mania symptoms below most of the day — nearly every day — for one week or longer, you may be having a manic episode of bipolar disorder:
* Excessive happiness, hopefulness, and excitement
* Sudden changes from being joyful to being irritable, angry, and hostile
* Restlessness, increased energy, and less need for sleep
* Rapid talk, talkativeness
* Distractibility
* Racing thoughts
* High sex drive
* Tendency to make grand and unattainable plans
* Tendency to show poor judgment, such as deciding to quit a job
* Inflated self-esteem or grandiosity — unrealistic beliefs in one’s ability, intelligence, and powers; may be delusional
* Increased reckless behaviors (such as lavish spending sprees, impulsive sexual indiscretions, abuse of alcohol or drugs, or ill-advised business decisions)
Some people with bipolar disorder become psychotic, hearing things that aren’t there. They may hold onto false beliefs, and cannot be swayed from them. In some instances, they see themselves as having superhuman skills and powers — even consider themselves to be god-like.”
– WebMb, Hypomania and Mania in Bipolar Disorder (http://www.webmd.com/bipolar-disorder/guide/hypomania-mania-symptoms)
about 1 year ago
Lum, I’m really enjoying the replacement quotes. Instead of waiting for the Dr. to go over 5000 characters, could you just immediately replace any of his posts with a prostitute quote?
about 1 year ago
“Here’s to the crazy ones, the misfits, the rebels, the troublemakers, the round pegs in the square holes… the ones who see things differently — they’re not fond of rules… You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them, but the only thing you can’t do is ignore them because they change things… they push the human race forward, and while some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius, because the ones who are crazy enough to think that they can change the world, are the ones who do.”
– Steve Jobs
about 1 year ago
“A half truth is a whole lie.”
– Yiddish Proverb
“A witty saying proves nothing.”
– Voltaire
“Actions speak louder than words.”
– Theodore Roosevelt
“Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.”
– Buddha
about 1 year ago
I agree with that! Rock on!
We’re gonna get along great–I can tell.
about 1 year ago
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“What it comes down to is this: the grocer, the butcher, the baker, the merchant, the landlord, the druggist, the liquor dealer, the policeman, the doctor, the city father and the politician — these are the people who make money out of prostitution, these are the real reapers of the wages of sin.”
– Polly Adler
about 1 year ago
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“Now, since it is thought that he proceeded thus against the Samians to gratify Aspasia, this may be a fitting place to raise the query what great art or power this woman had, that she managed as she pleased the foremost men of the state, and afforded the philosophers occasion to discuss her in exalted terms and at great length.”
– Plutarch, Pericles, XXIV (referring to his hetaera companion Aspasia)
about 1 year ago
dude! you’re soooo not getting it right!
be happy to help out!
http://gold45revolver.com
are any of you in the gaming industry?
what’s your take on the reasons for massive decline?
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=24470
“Following a difficult May which saw the video game industry’s monthly revenues drop 23 percent year-over-year, new NPD data for the month of June shows an even greater decline over last year’s June revenues, with U.S. console retail hardware and game revenues falling 31 percent to $1.17 billion.
Monthly year-over-year comparisons have been worsening in recent months; although overall 2009 to date is only down 12 percent from this same time in 2008, monthly declines have been increasingly worse than that average.
”
Do you think the employees are spending too much time reading my research/patents and fantasizing of holding a gold 45 revolver in the showdown whence it glows gold and firse zeus’s lightning?
Should I stop penning such distracting documents so everyone can get back to work?
about 1 year ago
are any of you in the gaming industry?
I don’t know, maybe you should check the About this Author page.
what’s your take on the reasons for massive decline?
Haven’t a clue.
about 1 year ago
He’d be a fun professor, I’ll give him that. Most, if you hand them a paper that begins with an interesting assertion, and then goes on to laying down quote after quote from the great classics, would realize by about paragraph 4 that you’re way out in la la land. This guy, though, it seems to be a viable business strategy. I’d get back my paper with comments like, “A+++, KINDRED SPIRIT! MARCH ON, BROTHER! DEATH TO SOCIALISTS!”
Dude, your gold45revolver is talking about things that have been done in games for decades, just generally badly, and you’re barely imperiling the entire field by trying to pass a patent that the idea of meaningful choice in video games belongs to you. You don’t see this because your so hypomanic that you can barely think straight.
Here is a site for you. Prove you can navigate it well enough to successfully schedule an appointment, and we’ll talk.
about 1 year ago
Quickly turning into one of the all-time great LtM / Broken Toys threads. Too funny.
about 1 year ago
@Scott
Duuude!
Seriously impressive bio.
You totally could get me in!
My patents + your experience = $$$$$$$$ billions $$$$$$$$$$$$
Would I have to sign an NDA? I kept quiet about the ideas in my patents for years, and waited, waited, waited for good peeps all over the world to start exalting the novel ideas in blogs and forums, as I knew they would.
There is no stopping an idea whose time has come. –Victor Hugo?
Seriously–how much in $$$$$$ do you think all the free publicity is worth so far?
And the games haven’t even been built yet!
Just wait until a few fanboys get a hold of that Gold 45 Revolver which fires zeus’s lightning in the third act dude!
Together we can rescue the declining industry and take it to new heights!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NG2zyeVRcbs
sing it with me, my newfound fellowhsip!
can almost see it
That dream I’m dreaming but
There’s a voice inside my head sayin,
You’ll never reach it,
Every step I’m taking,
Every move I make feels
Lost with no direction
My faith is shaking but I
Got to keep trying
Got to keep my head held high
There’s always going to be another mountain
I’m always going to want to make it move
Always going to be an uphill battle,
Sometimes I’m gonna to have to lose,
Ain’t about how fast I get there,
Ain’t about what’s waiting on the other side
It’s the climb
The struggles I’m facing,
The chances I’m taking
Sometimes might knock me down but
No I’m not breaking
I may not know it
But these are the moments that
I’m going to remember most yeah
Just got to keep going
And I,
I got to be strong
Just keep pushing on, cause
There’s always going to be another mountain
I’m always going to want to make it move
Always going to be an uphill battle,
Sometimes I’m gonna to have to lose,
Ain’t about how fast I get there,
Ain’t about what’s waiting on the other side
It’s the climb (yeah)
There’s always going to be another mountain
I’m always going to want to make it move
Always going to be an uphill battle,
Sometimes you going to have to lose,
Ain’t about how fast I get there,
Ain’t about what’s waiting on the other side
It’s the climb (yeah yeah ea ea)
Keep on moving
Keep climbing
Keep the faith baby
It’s all about
It’s all about
The climb
Keep the faith
Keep your faith
about 1 year ago
Ill be honest…. I havn’t bothered to read much more than a sentence or two of the good doctors posts… but what I’ve seen reminds me of those old forum script/bots that would create posts that almost seemed like they were actually talking about something.. and would incorporate semi-relative names/subject matter into the posts…. and Im really starting to wonder.. WTF IS GOING ON HERE?!?!!?!?
about 1 year ago
Thoughts of the Turing Test did cross my mind more than once. If it wasn’t for his intervening with actual post now and again, I’d say he’s 100% bot.
It’s become silly. I half-suspect it’s his ex-students trying to get back at him or some/many netizen(s) who found wearing his personae to be entertaining.
But I’m willing to humor the possibility this is just actual madness. Truth of the matter is, madness and intelligence are closely related, the main dividing line being self-awareness. For whatever reason, bot, fraud, or hypomania, this guy is not very self-aware.
about 1 year ago
By my own rules, I should edit that into a quote from/about a prostitute, but… dude. You’re quoting MILEY CYRUS.
You totally could get me in!
My patents + your experience = $$$$$$$$ billions $$$$$$$$$$$$
I know, rite? If only someone had thought about applying the Hero’s Journey to role playing games decades ago, eventually resulting in a cooperative online aspirational fantasy where you grow an avatar of yourself over a period of months and years, eventually solving the greatest challenges of the virtual world in concert with your friends and gaining online fame and glory!
I bet that would make billions, too. Did you patent that?
about 1 year ago
the great books video game renaissance hath begun!
no wonder EA wanted to buy my domain:
http://dantesinfernogame.com
http://greatbooksgames.com
i’d consider giving it to them for free, if they put Beatrice back in heaven, where Dante placed her.
can you f$@#$in’ believe that? Beatrice is the center and circumference of all that is good and pure in the Inferno, and EA put her in hell. Reminds me of what john milius said about how they f’d up Troy. It was in Harpers.
the turing test is in my novel autumn rangers.
about 1 year ago
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I just don’t want to be thought of as a monster. This has been a very difficult time. It’s complicated.
– Ashley Dupre, the callgirl that was linked to NY Governor Eliot Spitzer
about 1 year ago
@scott
you wrote, “Scott Jennings
8:40 pm on July 16th, 2009
By my own rules, I should edit that into a quote from/about a prostitute, but… dude. You’re quoting MILEY CYRUS.
You totally could get me in!
My patents + your experience = $$$$$$$$ billions $$$$$$$$$$$$
I know, rite? If only someone had thought about applying the Hero’s Journey to role playing games decades ago, eventually resulting in a cooperative online aspirational fantasy where you grow an avatar of yourself over a period of months and years, eventually solving the greatest challenges of the virtual world in concert with your friends and gaining online fame and glory!
I bet that would make billions, too. Did you patent that?”
Which game(s) bring the hero’s journey to life? Which game brings the classic theme of the few standing against the many for truth, liberty, and freedom, as does Homer’s Odyssey, 300, the American Revolution, and A Fistful of Dollars?
Certainly no MMORPG?
about 1 year ago
Um, did you actually see A Fistful of Dollars?
(pro-tip: a better example would be Star Wars, since Lucas explicitly “borrowed” from the Hero’s Journey when writing the script.)
about 1 year ago
My fav. film!
about 1 year ago
I’m telling you, a little lithium will provide volumes of insight as to the source of our discontent. It’d be a lot better if you took the initiative to seek somebody out about that before you make an epic mistake.
about 1 year ago
Well, yes, it’s a good film, but it’s also nihilistic and hyperviolent and actually plagiarizes a much better one.
about 1 year ago
dude–just say no.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGPqgJDYI6M
about 1 year ago
dude–you miss the point of the film.
1) eastwood reunites the family
2) slays all the outlaw bandits
3) leaves the gold behind
my patent references how this morality play was soooooooo much better than deadwood’s dumbed down debauchery, as well as GTA’s, Fallout’s, etc.
about 1 year ago
I’m not talking recreational. Heck, I don’t even drink. I’m talking, go to the shrink, the shrink goes, “dude, there might be something to this bipolar thing. Try this and see how you feel.” Then you, “OMG WTF was I thinking?”
about 1 year ago
and just who the hell is steven dafonts and why am i typing for him?
about 1 year ago
Something we all ask ourselves daily.
about 1 year ago
Wow.. look at all you guys actively posting right now…. FUN FUN FUN…. and all this time I thought Lum was the mad one….
about 1 year ago
Oh god, I’m actually being drawn into a real conversation.
dude–you miss the point of the film.
1) eastwood reunites the family
2) slays all the outlaw bandits
3) leaves the gold behind
Yes. That is not the Hero’s Journey. That is a gangland drama (specifically, the “Man with No Name” type). While you may personally aspire to kill outlaws with a six shooter made of precious metals, it is not technically what Joseph Campbell wrote about.
my patent references how this morality play was soooooooo much better than deadwood’s dumbed down debauchery, as well as GTA’s, Fallout’s, etc.
Now see, (leaving out Deadwood as a non-sequitor), GTA and Fallout provide CHOICES. Yes, you can play as an amoral monster. You also can NOT play as an amoral monster. Good is not a predestined moral choice, it is a constant struggle against the vagaries of temptation and weakness. Demanding that games NOT reflect that is immature.
See: http://www.brokentoys.org/2009/01/21/the-real-hitler-problem/ for more.
about 1 year ago
Are we sure geldon isn’t also another sock puppet? He seems to fit the “pretend to be not crazy so elliot can keep posting” description pretty well.
about 1 year ago
It’s more like I’m enjoying the opportunity to take part in a discussion where my crazy can be compared against a far crazier backdrop.
Of course, if you really want to get down to brass tacks, there is no such thing as a completely sane person. The DSM-IV-TRdoesn’t work on a scale of “sane” or “not sane”, but rather a scale of just how far into the range of exhibiting certain characteristics you are.
I might be a bit obsessive compulsive when my rather pathetically reinforced self-worth is questioned, but I’d probably still score better than your average F13 poster.
about 1 year ago
Fisful of dollars has the elements of the classic, epic hero’s journey.
1) crossing the threshold
the ultimate boon
2) meeting the mentor
3) the first showdown
4) tests/allies/enemies
5) meetig/resucing the goddess
6) the death
7) the resurrection/apotheois
9) the rescue from without
10) freedom to live
Yes–but the choices in fallout 3 and gta/etc. are boring and void of soul. For instance, in neither can you fight for the us constitution nor save a hooker from the streets. None of the character’s ideas nor political philosophies have any bearing on the game. There is no opportunity to get us back on the gold standard nor fight for the right to life, but only play in the narrowly-defined sandbox enforced by the fiatocracy.
I am by no means alone in perceiving this epic soullessness and hollowness, but my patents stand alone in proposing a novel solution–I reference the following blog in my patent:
http://tobolds.blogspot.com/2006/06/end-of-evil.html “Tobold’s MMORPG Blog”
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about 1 year ago
I wonder if you even played Fallout 3.
Fighting “for the US Constitution” in Fallout’s post-apocalyptic environment would be nonsensical, especially when the remnants of the US government are insane and trying to kill you. If you had a right wing bent, no critical thinking ability, and a short attention span, you would then believe that this was a horrible assault on your values and recoil.
However, you frequently are given the opportunity to set various injustices right, and in so doing the game notes when you are acting in a matter befitting a hero (the Karma score), other characters react to this, enemies spawn based up on that to hunt you as a threat, and eventually during the main storyline of the game you restore hope for everyone (through restoring the ability to exist off the land by cleansing the radioactive water system).
As for “saving hookers from the streets”, you do in fact have the opportunity to save prostitutes from a grim fate, several times in fact (including in one of the first quests of the game). You also are constantly given the opportunity to save women (and people in general) from bandits and slavers and rewarded for so doing.
You state finally, conclusively, that “none of the character’s ideas nor political philosophies have any bearing on the game”. This is, quite plainly, not true. The game has multiple paths depending on how you treat those you come across, and plays very differently based on those choices. For example, in the first city you come across, you discover an unexploded nuclear weapon in the town square. You are given the option to disarm it and save the town. If you do so, you are rewarded by the town with a place to live, which becomes your home – your base of operations for the rest of the game. However, you are also solicited by an oily gangster-type to set off the device and destroy the town because his superiors want the land for their own purposes. You can do this (and thus ally yourself with him and his allies). You can also inform the sherriff of the town of what happened. The sherriff will then try to confront the gangster, and if you do not help him, he will die. If you do, you further help to protect the town, and are so recognized.
This is just the first town you encounter in the game. The entire game is full of these sorts of ethical choices. By using this game as an example of “epic hollowness”, you betray either your carelessness in using examples or your inability to understand the very content that you demand be made.
about 1 year ago
Spoilers: I could technically fight for the bill of rights in Fallout 3. The U.S. Constitution was a worthless piece of paper kept by a fellow who named himself Abraham Washington while living in a carrier sheared in half by the nuclear devastation that destroyed the nation.
However, Abraham Washington liked to collect these things, so he hired my character to cross the threshold into the national archive to collect the declaration of independence where I met a mentor, had repeated showdowns with androids and mutants, met the goddess in a robot that thought it was Button Gwinnett, watched as my fellow scavenger died, resurrected them by using a cheat code, received the ultimate boon of Sydney’s 10mm “Ultra” SMG, was rescued from without by the Button bot providing a better option than confrontation, and granted the freedom to live by game completion.
Because, like a good quote, these things are all vague enough to assign to just about anything.
about 1 year ago
When I speak of fighting for the US Constitution, I am speaking of fighting for its immortal, immutable ideals. For instance, which characters in Fallout speak of the Constitution’s ideals? Can you round a few up, just like I am trying to round some up here, or are gameworlds just like the world of gaming companies, where nobody seems to care that the family/Constitution/economy are withering, as long as they can hire/kill hookers in virtual reality.
Again, the karma system/morality system in Fallout 3 is essentially meaningless.
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=20908
Patent-pending 2007/2008 Gold 45 Revolver Technology solves the above problems!
Here is how the new technology solves the above problems:
[quote]
Self-censorship was the least effective course of action open to Bethesda if they are looking to morally instruct their players. Why not take the route less traveled and try to implement some meaningful consequence, something beyond an essentially meaningless “karma” stat? (YES!! THE KARMA IS MEANINGLESS! WHY NOT INCORPORATE A GOLD 45 REVOLVER WHICH ONLY SHOOTS ZEUS’S LIGHTNING IN THE END IF YOU HAVE BEEN DOING THE RIGHT, MORAL THING THROUGHOUT?)[/quote]
“These are difficult questions with few satisfying answers. But no matter what, in removing the opportunity to kill children in their anarchic game, Bethesda has admitted video games’ ineffectiveness in providing meaningful disincentives and negative repercussions for in-game atrocities. That the team chose to carve the issue out of their game rather than attempt to engage it head on, speaks volumes. ” –http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=20908
http://gamerblips.dailyradar.com/story/reporter_rant_rails_against_male_dominated_gaming/
“”You aren’t men. You are stunted adolescents.” – Heather Chaplin, reporter., to game developers everywhere.
That’s the gist of Chaplin’s talk that was part of a series of journalists’ rants delivered this morning at the Game Developers Conference (I gave one too. Mine was about the quality of writing about games… more on that later.) Chaplin has co-authored the book “Smartbomb,” a well-reviewed survey of the gaming industry. She knows the big players and has hung out with top designers like Cliff Bleszinski and Will Wright. She singled Bleszinski out in her talk, saying she liked him, but that she was distressed by how juvenile most major games are. She dismissed top games as “power fantasies” and charged the games industry with neoteny. Look that one up.
She said game developers need to stop using the youth of the gaming medium as an excuse. At the same age of their medium, Chaplin said, movies had had Fritz Lang and were on the verge of Citizen Kane. Rock n roll had Bob Dylan and the Beatles. With games? She said she enjoys “Gears of War,” but she’s not impressed with the field.
“
about 1 year ago
Ah, here’s your problem.
There’s no such thing.
about 1 year ago
I know.
That is why my patents are so valuable.
I call the fanboy fiatocracy MBA bluff and take it all in a brand new direction.
about 1 year ago
Actually, I wasn’t referring to its presence in games. I was referring to immortal, immutable ideas as being complete nonexistent, period.
You’re a fan of Ayn Rand, aren’t you?
“Every aspect of Western culture needs a new code of ethics – a rational ethics – as a precondition of rebirth.” – Ayn Rand.
The U.S. Constitution being an aspect of Western culture, it would seem that one of your favorite heroines herself would be inclined to agree that it’s not truly deserving of immortality.
Similarly, it’s hardly immutable, this is what amendments are about. The constitution itself grants the country the ability to amend it because reality itself is mutable, and for it to last so also must be any document that will govern.
Now, as for game design, in my own experiments, I have ran into a definitive issue with defining the value of purpose in gaming. And, after lengthy dabbling on the subject, I came to the realization that there’s a problem with that: you can’t fight for an immortal, immutable ideal in a game because there really is no purpose to playing a game other than art appreciation/entertainment.
Basically, in terms of bringing about a genuinely meaningful feeling choice in the game, we’ve pretty much gleamed the outer layer already. The idea of items having significance in a game has already been explored, you can outline examples such as The Master Sword. Golden revolver, magical sword, whatever: coveted objects in the game aren’t meaningful no matter how many virtual prostitutes you shoot with them.
about 1 year ago
I enjoyed Ayn Rand in fifth grade, but I far prefer Homer/Shakespeare/Dante/Jefferson/Socrates/Aristotle/Ron Paul/Lincoln.
“you can’t fight for an immortal, immutable ideal in a game because there really is no purpose to playing a game other than art appreciation/entertainment.”
so you say as the fiatocracy says you must say. and again, that is why my research is worth $$$$$$billlions
about 1 year ago
What I’m saying is that the devil is in the details. You think you’ve found the answer: “If only people could make games that were meaningful!!! OMG! BILLIONS!$$$!$!1!”
However, then you sit down with the game development software for a bit, and suddenly realize that it’s not that nobody has tried making meaningful games, it’s that they’ve tried and run smack up the problem that, no matter how many different tried-and-true methods of epic storytelling they leveraged, there’s that ultimate barrier that it’s just a game.
This isn’t a billion dollar idea. It’s something so blindingly obvious that any aspiring game professional designer has already whipped out a napkin and discarded it as untenable. It remains untenable no matter how many old names you throw at it.
If it wasn’t for the blinding obviousness of it, you might just have sold it. You don’t teach a class on game design, you teach a class on making money selling art. You’re whole goal, from start until end, was to weave an elaborate sales pitch designed to sell this idea for big money so you can impress the kids you teach.
Where did you go wrong? Well, the main trouble is that game design has been around for awhile. It’s close enough to an established industry that there really isn’t enough room for a smooth operator to wiggle his way in anymore.
about 1 year ago
Just to clarify, it’s not that I don’t think games can evoke emotion from their players. Look at Floyd and Planetfall for example – and they pulled that off with a 1985 game. It’s that idea that there’s this whole new level of meaningful decision ramification beyond what has already been done that you’d have to be completely manic to believe. Either that, or have some kind of radical new technology, like cybernetic feedback plugs or something.
about 1 year ago
Nyarlathotep seems more relevant to this conversation than Ayn Rand.
about 1 year ago
There is also the game Hidden Agenda, which has multiple branching choices for leading a Central American government in either a right-wing, left-wing or moderate path, each with its own pitfalls and strengths, and players have their government embody their political views and have them tested. This was in 1988.
about 1 year ago
When I speak of fighting for the US Constitution, I am speaking of fighting for its immortal, immutable ideals.
Ah, here’s your problem.
There’s no such thing.
What he said.
about 1 year ago
@Scott: “There is also the game Hidden Agenda, which has multiple branching choices for leading a Central American government in either a right-wing, left-wing or moderate path, each with its own pitfalls and strengths, and players have their government embody their political views and have them tested. This was in 1988.”
Again, there is no opportunity to win the game by fighting communism, central planning, and state control. There is no opportunity to walk from cafe to cafe and form a fellowship based on the npc’s ideals and beliefs. There is no opportunity to quote, nor hear others quote, the founding fathers, and find out who is interested in fighting for a free government based on the classical, exalted ideals found in our Declaration of Independence and Constitution.
Furthermore, in the prior art, ideas which have consequences do not spread like viruses, transforming the NPCs into communists/vampire/zombie/fanboys all stating that there is no such thing as objective truth and reason, nor immutable, classical ideals.
The gaming industry is in a vast crisis, and this novel technology could exalt it to new heights.
You guys keep repeating “walls of text,” and “inane” as the fiatocracy’s academies trained you to do from an early age, rewarding you for deconstructing the Great Books and Classics, and shouting “wall of text” when encountering the US Constitution. So it is you must loyally defend yesteryear’s hooker-killing technologies in false open-ended gameworlds, where one cannot fall in love nor exalt a classical, epic renaissance.
In three years or so, someone will blog about the novel research as if they themselves created/discovered it, and then it will begin becoming common knowledge.
Then, in five years or so, after the MBA/fanboys begin to believe that they are the ones creating it, we will see the novel Gold 45 Revolver/Ideas Have Consequences/Moral Premise technology in video games.
And I look forward to it!
I look forward to video games with exalted story, soul, moral premises, character, honor, love, romance, and epic story! And so do millions of others!
I hope you join the renaissance in serving the rising demand. Now, go forth and read Homer’s Iliad & Odyssey–go forth and read Shakespeare & The Bible. Go forth and read the Great Books and Classics, until you see that they are not “walls of text,” but eternal vessels of the ethereal soul’s epic beauty.
The first companies to adopt my novel Gold 45 Revolver/Ideas Have Consequences/Moral premise technologies will reap billions of dollars.
I came up with very specific, novel game mechanics in my patent applications:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=366448
You can tell how novel it is, by everyone’s amazement at its elegant simplicity which has already solved a glaring design problem in Fallout 3.
–http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=20908
“Self-censorship was the least effective course of action open to Bethesda if they are looking to morally instruct their players. Why not take the route less traveled and try to implement some meaningful consequence, something beyond an essentially meaningless “karma” stat? (YES!! THE KARMA IS MEANINGLESS! WHY NOT INCORPORATE A GOLD 45 REVOLVER WHICH ONLY SHOOTS ZEUS’S LIGHTNING IN THE END IF YOU HAVE BEEN DOING THE RIGHT, MORAL THING THROUGHOUT?)”
read more @ http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=20908
As you can see, the simple, elegant solution would be worth billions! And it could be applied to all RPGs and FPSs! Such a novel weapon would be worth tens of millions in gameplay enjoyment, and tens of millions more in publicity. *Everyone* is going to want to get their hands on that Gold 45 when it comes out, and *every* game is gonna want to have one.
Where in the prior art can one form a fellowship based upon the ideas/ideals/characters of the NPC’s? In what game does the eventual outcome depend on the character and integrity—the ideals and beliefs—of the fellowship one forms? Re: How much would it be worth to Bethesda/EA/38 Studios/Visceral/Bioware/Ubisoft?
How much would it be worth to put the following on a game box? “It is the dawn of the American Revolution, and it is up to you to build the fellowship that will lead the epic battle for freedom. From tavern to tavern you must walk the streets of Boston, listening in on conversations and recruiting those speaking (and oft whispering) of liberty’s epic ideals. Redcoats and King George’s spies abound, and when you hear the words of Washington, Jefferson, Paine, Madison, Jay, and Hamilton, you must engage the characters by speaking of liberty’s ideals yourself; or lose their trust. Throughout you must select the best words to rally and inspire the troops during the fierce war for freedom–to attract the poet warriors with the greatest characters to fight alongside you. Ideas have consequences and word must be matched with deed, as freedom’s fate falls upon your shoulders. “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. –Thomas Jefferson”"
I argue that such a novel approach to gaming–not only incorporating the words of the actual Founding Fathers–but rendering their consequences (or the dire consequences of their absence)–would be worth hundreds of millions, if not billions.
And wouldn’t that be an awesome game??? Imagine meeting Jefferson and Hamilton, finally defined by their greater aspects–their souls, characters, and words–and actually recruiting Washington to command the forces, based upon his words!
But, as you can see, the fiatocracy’s fanboys have been programmed by their deconstructionist lords to laugh at classical, epic, exalted ideals and their rugged, moral implementation in gameworlds, as you et al. are forced to accept the debauchery of the currency and culture–of marriage and the family–as if it were ordained by God.
It’s not my fault the fiatocracy has dumbed down so many and commanded them to deconstruct classical ideals in innovation, while investing hundreds of millions in hooker-and-unarmed-women-killing technologies.
As you can see, the MBA/fanboy industry would rather shed billions upon billions of dollars in market cap while serving their bottom-line arrogance, instead of serving an exalted renaissance in gaming, and incorporating the classical, epic ideals, as outlined in my research:
http://www.google.com/finance?chdnp=1&chdd=1&chds=1&chdv=1&chvs=maximized&chdeh=
0&chdet=1247423239469&chddm=98141&cmpto=NASDAQ:THQI;NASDAQ:TTWO&cmptzos=-18000;-
18000&q=NASDAQ:ERTS&ntsp=0
about 1 year ago
@Njal
You write, “When I speak of fighting for the US Constitution, I am speaking of fighting for its immortal, immutable ideals.
Ah, here’s your problem.
There’s no such thing.
What he said.”
That’s the unique magic of the Beatrice Game Engine–it treas ideals form a manly perspective–as immutable abstractions; and not from the feminized, fatherless, fanboy perspective.
And there’s a growing demand from gamers to play games that treats them not as dumbed-down, feminized fanboys, but respects them as men, capable of interacting with the Constitution’s immutable ideals.
about 1 year ago
So I have to ask the two required questions:
A) What’s with the all women are whores unless they embrace your ideals thing?
B) Why do you have something attempting to model moral choice into a game properly, but only with one correct outcome? Essentially you’re just throwing out choice entirely and presenting it as an “agree with me or game over” variant of a choose your own adventure book.
I’m not finding that compelling, personally. Simply because it refuses to accept that any choice other than the developer’s pet choice is acceptable. Heck, it fails to accept that a player may fall from the accepted path and become redeemed later by reaffirming their dedication to the one true path.
It’s a patent for a nine hour QTE without the button prompts.
about 1 year ago
How many sock puppets this guy already have? Seriously.
About the subject, 1) laws in general are supposed to be able to adapt to the current times, thats how they stay vigent instead of relying to mafias and social laws to keep order.
2)Hell yes a game can have multiple choices with each choice affecting the outcome in the storyline. Problem is that the number of choices and outcomes are LIMITED unless you are in the social aspect of the game. Thats a fact because designers are human beings and they can only create so much and random-generated content it all looks the same after a while.
3)If you havent noticed, we are NOT impressed of the “billions”(slight exageration perhaps) in your investigation. My reasons are that i have seen money dumper in dumber things and you are sponsored by pharmers (who are bad for the industry).
about 1 year ago
Whoa.
How many sock puppets this guy already have? Seriously.
About the subject, 1) laws in general are supposed to be able to adapt to the current times, thats how they stay vigent instead of relying to mafias and social laws to keep order.
2)Hell yes a game can have multiple choices with each choice affecting the outcome in the storyline. Problem is that the number of choices and outcomes are LIMITED unless you are in the social aspect of the game. Thats a fact because designers are human beings and they can only create so much and random-generated content it all looks the same after a while.
3)If you havent noticed, we are NOT impressed of the “billions”(slight exageration perhaps) in your investigation. My reasons are that i have seen money dumper in dumber things and you are sponsored by pharmers (who are bad for the industry).
about 1 year ago
thanks kildy:
So I have to ask the two required questions:
A) What’s with the all women are whores unless they embrace your ideals thing?
That’s not the point of the patent/research.
I am not sure where you are seeing it. I am merely trying to introduce the classic Beatrice/Penelope/Autumn archetype into games and gaming. You see, when the fiatocracy’s corporate-state tries to render Beatrice, they put her in hell, as does EA in their “Dante’s Inferno” game. I am just trying to return her to her rightful place–Paradisio.
B) Why do you have something attempting to model moral choice into a game properly, but only with one correct outcome? Essentially you’re just throwing out choice entirely and presenting it as an “agree with me or game over” variant of a choose your own adventure book.
You see–the ideals of freedom and liberty–which so many died for to defend, are absolute and immortal. And sure–you could use the exact same technology to fight for communism’s ideals and collectivism’s, but we all know how that ends.
I’m not finding that compelling, personally. Simply because it refuses to accept that any choice other than the developer’s pet choice is acceptable. Heck, it fails to accept that a player may fall from the accepted path and become redeemed later by reaffirming their dedication to the one true path.
No, no, no. It is not the developer’s choice–it is the choice of Leonidas, Cicero, Homer, Dante, Jefferson, Ron Paul, Moses, and every hero of Western Civilization. Now wouldn’t that be an awesome game–to be a hero of Western Civilization in an open-ended world, and to form fellowships based on the classical, immortal ideals; and to fight alongside a band of brothers who you recruited based on their soulful principles expressed in word and deed?
“We few, we happy few, we band of brothers. For he today that sheds his blood with me shall be my brother; be never so vile. This day shall gentle his condition. And gentlemen in England now abed shall think themselves accursed they were not here, and hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks that fought with us upon Saint Crispin’s day.” –Shakespeare
It’s a patent for a nine hour QTE without the button prompts.
No, no, no–it is the paradigm shift that will exalt a renaissance in gaming and video games–something the ailing industry needs in a massive manner.
http://gold45revolver.com
about 1 year ago
Tnaks Gx1080
8:30 am on July 17th, 2009
About the subject, 1) laws in general are supposed to be able to adapt to the current times, thats how they stay vigent instead of relying to mafias and social laws to keep order.
–yes–that is what the Federal Reserve’s schools taught you so that by and by they could destroy freedom, liberty, truth, and the soul. I forgive everyone here for the snarky hate, as many of you grew up without fathers, as the Federal Reserve also funded the sycophantic feminist movement so as to socialize all of entirety and criminalize free thought and creation. A true Zeus-like Father would have taught you the importance of manly principle and the honor in matching word and deed–tenets which will be exalted in the great books gaming renaissance. Many of you love/hate me because these words remind you of the father you never had.
2)Hell yes a game can have multiple choices with each choice affecting the outcome in the storyline. Problem is that the number of choices and outcomes are LIMITED unless you are in the social aspect of the game. Thats a fact because designers are human beings and they can only create so much and random-generated content it all looks the same after a while.
No, no, no. By focusing on simple ideals and ideas which have consequences, the present research/gold 45 revolver/moral premise vastly simplifies the AI. The hero’s journey natural emerges when ideals and the moral premise are incorporated in the AI. Aristotle noted the moral premise was a most unifying force; so why not use it to unify the programming and AI of a game?
3)If you havent noticed, we are NOT impressed of the “billions”(slight exageration perhaps) in your investigation. My reasons are that i have seen money dumper in dumber things and you are sponsored by pharmers (who are bad for the industry).
Well, all I’m saying is that everyone here would want to not only buy, but work on such games, and thus the technology will be released in such a manner that you could populate the dialogue/ideals/action trees with your own sense of moral goodness. Even if you are a communist at heart, you could use the novel technology to build a game wherein the freedom-fighters were the vampires/zombies whose ideals and ideas spread the zombie/vampire virus/quality; but in order for the communist game to be any fun, I imagine that the designers/players will have to be high as a kite–like heroin high or something.
Join the Great Books Gaming Renaissance!
http://gold45revolver.com
http://twitter.com/45surf
http://www.gamasutra.com/blogs/DrElliotMcGucken/20090708/2305/The_Gold_45_Revolver__Ideas_Have_Consequences__Moral_Premise_InnovationsTechnologyGames.php
about 1 year ago
On the bright side, since he rejects Scott’s examples from fallout3 of engaging in moral gameplay and fighting for principles and ideals, then his patents are truly worthless and not a threat to anyone making games.
Scott, I think you should save this thread for the purposes of prior art so if this guy ever sues a game developer, the developer can refer back to fallout3 and the response here that the kinds of actions and karma found in fallout3 (which are the kinds of moral decisions you would find in games) have nothing to do with his patents.
And since he uses message board discussions and chat room discussions in his patent applications, hopefully he won’t be able to complain too much if they are used as prior art against his patents.
about 1 year ago
@John
Hey there! I am not the one rejecting Scott’s examples for fallout 3, nor syaing that the moral system is hollow and the karam system meaningless.
I am merely echoing the word on the street:
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=20908
“These are difficult questions with few satisfying answers. But no matter what, in removing the opportunity to kill children in their anarchic game, Bethesda has admitted video games’ ineffectiveness in providing meaningful disincentives and negative repercussions for in-game atrocities. That the team chose to carve the issue out of their game rather than attempt to engage it head on, speaks volumes. ”
Self-censorship was the least effective course of action open to Bethesda if they are looking to morally instruct their players. Why not take the route less traveled and try to implement some meaningful consequence, something beyond an essentially meaningless “karma” stat? (YES!! THE KARMA IS MEANINGLESS! WHY NOT INCORPORATE A GOLD 45 REVOLVER WHICH ONLY SHOOTS ZEUS’S LIGHTNING IN THE END IF YOU HAVE BEEN DOING THE RIGHT, MORAL THING THROUGHOUT?) see the post @ the bottom: http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=20908
See? The novel Gold 45 Revolver technology solves vast and glaring design issues!! This could be applied to GTA/Fallout 3/KOTOR/Bioshock any RPG/FPS/MMORPG!!
“In Fallout 3, you cannot kill children.
…
Problematically, in singling out and self-censoring one particular type of ‘crime’ in his game Pagliarulo by implication justifies all the others as being non-gratuitous and necessary. Last night I blew the head from a homeless scavenger girl, one who’s barely into twenties. The slow motion camera tracked her head’s explosion before lingering on the crimson fountain spurting from her neck stump. Is this kind of interaction and feedback ‘socially responsible’? And so then what’s the difference to killing a minor?”
–http://dragonchasers.com/2008/11/01/moral-choices-in-fallout-3/
I don’t think I’m the litigious type.
I innovate and invent not to sue other people, but to serve the greater good.
If I could walk into Best Buy next week and buy a novel Gold 45 Revolver/Ideas Have Consequences/Moral Premise game, I would be happy. I might also call the the developer and ask for a couple bucks, and give them some ideas for the film/movies/franchise. A rising tide lifts all boats.
I gave all my artificial retina technology away for free:
http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/40158797
http://elliotmcgucken.com/dissertation.html
http://elliotmcgucken.com/figure9.jpg
http://elliotmcgucken.com/figure7.jpg
about 1 year ago
There is no growing demand. It’s all in your head. You are a business teacher, go do some actual market research, as opposed to endlessly repeating the same tired phrases over and over again. You will find that no one really cares about the golden revolver at all. No one cares about the founding fathers popping up in a video game unless its a simulation about the revolutionary war, and even then its all about resource management and battle recreation, not this vague claptrap you keep spouting.
No one cares. Do you play tetris, hoping to convert each little brick into accepting the ideals of the constititution, and classically, epically fall into place into neat lines ordained by Dante to defy the MBA fanboy Fiatocracy? When you play Madden, do you ignore the snap and plug in a keyboard so you can try and speak truth to power and try to reform the feminized fanboys hungry for the moses/zeus ideal of judeo-christian blah blah blah?
That’s how absurd you sound. It’s to the point where people are hoping you are trolling us all, because if you take it seriously you are monomanical to near insanity levels. Lum linked to you not because your ideas had merit, but because your written work is one step below Transformers fanfiction.
about 1 year ago
oops–somebody is not letting my posts go through!
why the fear of the First Amendment Scott Jennings?
I will have to post this on my various blogs if you keep deleting it:
9:07 am on July 17th, 2009
@John
Hey there! I am not the one rejecting Scott’s examples for fallout 3, nor syaing that the moral system is hollow and the karam system meaningless.
I am merely echoing the word on the street:
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=20908
“These are difficult questions with few satisfying answers. But no matter what, in removing the opportunity to kill children in their anarchic game, Bethesda has admitted video games’ ineffectiveness in providing meaningful disincentives and negative repercussions for in-game atrocities. That the team chose to carve the issue out of their game rather than attempt to engage it head on, speaks volumes. ”
Self-censorship was the least effective course of action open to Bethesda if they are looking to morally instruct their players. Why not take the route less traveled and try to implement some meaningful consequence, something beyond an essentially meaningless “karma” stat? (YES!! THE KARMA IS MEANINGLESS! WHY NOT INCORPORATE A GOLD 45 REVOLVER WHICH ONLY SHOOTS ZEUS’S LIGHTNING IN THE END IF YOU HAVE BEEN DOING THE RIGHT, MORAL THING THROUGHOUT?) see the post @ the bottom: http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=20908
See? The novel Gold 45 Revolver technology solves vast and glaring design issues!! This could be applied to GTA/Fallout 3/KOTOR/Bioshock any RPG/FPS/MMORPG!!
“In Fallout 3, you cannot kill children.
…
Problematically, in singling out and self-censoring one particular type of ‘crime’ in his game Pagliarulo by implication justifies all the others as being non-gratuitous and necessary. Last night I blew the head from a homeless scavenger girl, one who’s barely into twenties. The slow motion camera tracked her head’s explosion before lingering on the crimson fountain spurting from her neck stump. Is this kind of interaction and feedback ‘socially responsible’? And so then what’s the difference to killing a minor?”
–http://dragonchasers.com/2008/11/01/moral-choices-in-fallout-3/
I don’t think I’m the litigious type.
I innovate and invent not to sue other people, but to serve the greater good.
If I could walk into Best Buy next week and buy a novel Gold 45 Revolver/Ideas Have Consequences/Moral Premise game, I would be happy. I might also call the the developer and ask for a couple bucks, and give them some ideas for the film/movies/franchise. A rising tide lifts all boats.
I gave all my artificial retina technology away for free:
http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/40158797
http://elliotmcgucken.com/dissertation.html
http://elliotmcgucken.com/figure9.jpg
http://elliotmcgucken.com/figure7.jpg
about 1 year ago
Oh, but there is a vast and growing demand for the Gold 45 Revolver Technology!
Without any funding *whatsoever*, it has become the *most talked about* novel gaming research over the past few months.
Imagine if a company went ahead and built the game, which could be done with simple mods of existing engines, requiring minimal investment. The ROI would be huge, huge, huge!!
about 1 year ago
oops–somebody is not letting my posts go through!
Your posts are triggering the blog software’s automated spam filter. You can avoid this through not having dozens of repetitive links in every post.
why the fear of the First Amendment Scott Jennings?
As a true student of constitutional rights would be aware, freedom of the speech does not override property rights. Simply put, I am free to eject you from my virtual living room no matter what truth you are speaking to Communist vampires. You are, of course, free, and in fact constitutionally protected to speak all the truth you want in your own virtual home.
You would also get more discussion if you actually discussed your ideas instead of attempting to beat people into unconsciousness with the sheer weight of your text. For example, you have been given several examples (moral choices involving gameplay branching in Fallout 3, choices between communist and capitalist governance in Hidden Agenda) which predate your “research”, in Hidden Agenda’s case by 20 years. Instead of acknowledging, discussing and learning from this, you simply ignore it and repeat your previous posts verbatim. This does not encourage others to seriously engage with you.
about 1 year ago
The cowgirl chick is hot.
That’s all I learnt from this post
about 1 year ago
@scott yes–i appreciate the property rights and all, but it’d be more fun if my posts went through!
@We flie Spitfires
yes–finally someone is getting the gist of the novel research/technologies! weclome aboard http://45surf.com
about 1 year ago
@scott thanks for letting the post go through dude!
i find you intelligent & witty.
i laughed aloud at your original post.
i imagine you laughed at the patent–haha.
i still laugh when i read parts of it. “omg–the fanboys are gonna kill me for this!” i kept thinkin’ when i was writing it. but then, if i provided some pictures of hot chicks, all would be cool, i figured.
but seriously, i was wondeirng how long it would take for someone to find the patent. a year? two years? never? it was more like a couple months after its publication in January 09, and then things took off in May.
i’m glad you guys found it–loved Scott’s post.
i think i know where/how it all started too–how the first person found it/happened upon it & opened pandora’s box.
about 1 year ago
I thought Prokofy Neva was the mistress of the wall-of-text post. She’s a rank amateur compared to this guy. I sincerely hope the good doctor doesn’t develop an interest in Second Life, the two of them posting on the same thread could break the internet.
about 1 year ago
They already have, in this one. The Internet managed to survive the experience.
about 1 year ago
“No, no, no. It is not the developer’s choice–it is the choice of Leonidas, Cicero, Homer, Dante, Jefferson, Ron Paul, Moses, and every hero of Western Civilization. Now wouldn’t that be an awesome game–to be a hero of Western Civilization in an open-ended world, and to form fellowships based on the classical, immortal ideals; and to fight alongside a band of brothers who you recruited based on their soulful principles expressed in word and deed??”
Open ended? Not at all. Linear choice. Even more linear then the od Lucas Arts adventures, I’d almost say.
about 1 year ago
Yes–for the first time we would have a truly open-ended gameworld.
In the novel Gold 45 Revolver/Ideas Have Consequences/Moral Premise games, you could actually fight for the principles of the US Constitution in word and deed.
You could man up and win, or fanboy it on home and lose.
http://www.onelastcontinue.com/9136/vampire-zombie-communist-hookers-patent-it/
“Vampire Zombie Communist Hookers? Patent It!
By Austin Walker, 1:30 pm on June 27, 2009
From Patent # US 2009/0017886 A1: “If the player heeds the higher ideals and seeks the higher path they will be rewarded not with money and jacked cars, but with their soul.” What? More after the jump.
If you’ve read my editorials, you know that I’ve been pushing games towards a more serious path. An intense potential for creating and cultivating emotions and ideas in the players exists in games that is unique among artistic mediums and valuable for it. Dr. Elliot McGucken, a man dedicated to bringing sight to the blind and honoring Joseph Campbell, believes so to. And the way he’s realized this belief is through this patent [via EmCeeGramr on NeoGaf] that makes my stomach churn.”
about 1 year ago
http://incentives-matter.blogspot.com/2009/07/video-game-wherein-ideas-have.html
Where’s Kabul?
It seems I am a big hit there!
http://paulpajo.com/2009/07/16/system-and-method-for-creating-exalted-video-games-and-virtual-realities-by-elliot-mcgucken/ ”
“… 6. The method in claim 1 where said ideas spread like viruses, by being spoken, written, or disseminated in some other manner, transforming characters who come in contact with said ideas into vampires, zombies, or other forms of monsters, and where said vampires, zombies, and monsters may be saved or converted back to normal by coming in contact with ideas that oppose the ideas that made them vampires, zombies, and other forms of monsters…”
http://www.gamasutra.com/blogs/DrElliotMcGucken/20090717/2462/_Marketers_of_Video_Games_How_Much_is_The_Massive_Gold_45_RevolverIdeas_Have_ConsequencesMoral_Premise_Buzz_Worth.php
about 1 year ago
all you peeps are sooooo much more fun than the metafilter dudes & dudettes.
http://www.metafilter.com/83274/Would-you-give-this-man-125000
I think I wrote something that offended them or something–who knows–maybe I didn’t return their friend request on facebook or something.
Anyhooo–I just wrote the way it feels to get shut out and abandoned:
“Where’d everyone go?
I hope I did not spoil your fun, and too, I hope you don’t shut me out and leave me in the gold. It seems just yesterday we were all falling in love, but now I’m only falling apart:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urY1aZCRs7c”
–http://www.metafilter.com/83274/Would-you-give-this-man-125000
about 1 year ago
Can someone give me the details on involuntary commitment in California?
about 1 year ago
@hmm
I checked and it seems you have to first volunteer for it. Maybe that is why they are going bankrupt?
about 1 year ago
this is too much
The night fell fast, I found myself alone,
A D.C. summer storm was blowing in,
I stood at the tomb, these soldiers unknown,
and knelt and prayed for the rain to begin.
Not for the monuments nor any money,
nor pomp, circumstance, nor the pedant’s pride,
the politician’s smile, nor lawyer’s fee,
for these present treasures, none of them died.
I ran to Jefferson to read the wall,
to make sure that God was still written there,
then to Washington, and across the Mall,
where Lincoln invoked his immortal prayer.
Winded and ragged, lightning everywhere,
I slowed to a walk, pondered what would be,
if God’s great Enlightenment weren’t there,
we could still be brave but never be free.
I found comfort in the Mall’s mud and rain,
without mines nor cannons nor raining shells,
so free from fear, iniquity, and pain,
because thousands had endured a thousand hells.
And I found myself back before the tomb,
humbled by the humbled, with naught for name,
shivering, though they had the colder room,
sans light, nor sound, nor tomorrow, nor fame.
I thought for a moment, what it could be,
the center and circumference of their dreaming,
it must have been the prophet’s poetry,
that granted their souls eternal meaning.
So judges and congressmen, please don’t forget,
the reason these patriots picked up swords,
not for perks nor power were their deaths met,
but for honor and duty–for mere words.
So do take pause before telling a lie,
for there’s one more thing I saw on that night,
as the wind and the rain began to die,
I walked away, turned, and beheld a light.
Will ‘o’ wisp, reddish light, sailor’s delight,
It hovered there–just above the tomb’s stone,
As fading thunder whispered to the night,
“Freedom’s the name of all soldiers unknown.”
about 1 year ago
A lot of you probably work in the video games industry. Many of you in marketing.
Well, this question is for you:
http://www.gamasutra.com/blogs/DrElliotMcGucken/20090717/2462/_Marketers_of_Video_Games_How_Much_is_The_Massive_Gold_45_RevolverIdeas_Have_ConsequencesMoral_Premise_Buzz_Worth.php
“How Much is The Massive Gold 45 Revolver/Ideas Have Consequences/Moral Premise Buzz Worth?”
Thanks in advance!
about 1 year ago
@hmm
i’m glad you enjoy my poetry!!
THE MOST PERFECT SILENCE
I know where the most perfect silence is,
Seen it in the wild blue off Hatteras,
A mile out, rainbowed sails in silent bliss,
Looked like they’d collide, but they safely passed.
I know when the most perfect silence is,
Down a dusty Ohio road, high noon,
No shirt on, being burned by the sun’s kiss,
Sixteen, takin’ my time– it was still June.
I know what the most perfect silence is,
It’s what we say when falling out of love,
It roars and thunders right through the kiss,
Says all that no words can ever speak of.
I know why the most perfect silence is,
It is there for the whisper to be born,
The whisper in her ear became the kiss,
Just a dream in DC early one morn.
I know who the perfect silence is for,
It is for the ones whom we love the best,
It is there to protect them from our core,
By the silent trust we all seek to rest.
And I know how rare that silence can be,
With everyone talkin’, it’s hard to hear,
But I know I felt it, on the streets of DC,
The sound in her eyes– it was crystal clear.
And it brought back to mind the rainbowed sails,
And the way it looked like they would collide,
Like two souls set upon fate’s iron rails,
But the most perfect silence never died.
about 1 year ago
Crazy guy wrote:
When I speak of fighting for the US Constitution, I am speaking of fighting for its immortal, immutable ideals.
Like slavery and the oppression of women? Is that what you want games to fight for? Odd.
about 1 year ago
Dr. E, or whichever of your sock puppets, if any, you choose to use to respond to this… let’s try an experiment if you’re willing: you list one thing, ONE THING, that you think is novel in your approach to game design. Keep it as short and simple as you’re able – and try to be aware of your propensity for tangential remarks and buttressing, and avoid those pitfalls for this discussion at least (and if you’d learn to avoid those pitfalls in your general writing, it’d sincerely be a great help to you in your life and career). Don’t quote someone else’s ideas, don’t quote yourself or your patent application, and don’t point us towards the Great Works (which by the way I’ve read and I imagine most of the readers of this blog have as well – your arrogant assumptions about the ignorance of others are misplaced). Don’t repeat your arguments from above; don’t fall into the same rut. Just express one simple, single idea that you are certain is new and unique in the field of game design. Don’t link to it, just summarize it briefly, in no more than 200 words (if you can’t summarize it in 200 words or less, then you simply do not have a clear and concise understanding of what you’re talking about – think of patent abstracts here). Don’t mention hookers, communists, vampires, the Founding Fathers, or Beatrice, unless these things are absolutely central to your idea, and your idea cannot be clearly expressed without mention of these things. Then we, the readers of this blog, will engage in a discussion with you about whether this idea is in any way novel or tenable. How does that sound?
I’ll preemptively admit that I sincerely doubt you’ll be able or willing to accomplish this. Right now I’ll candidly say you’re doing nothing to earn our respect, much less our interest… except in the morbid sense that people like watching NASCAR to see car crashes.
about 1 year ago
“Dr. E, or whichever of your sock puppets, if any, you choose to use to respond to this… let’s try an experiment if you’re willing: you list one thing, ONE THING, that you think is novel in your approach to game design. ”
Let me turn to my good friends in Kabul, Afghanistan:
http://paulpajo.com/2009/07/16/system-and-method-for-creating-exalted-video-games-and-virtual-realities-by-elliot-mcgucken/
“Are you ready to patent your own game system and method? Here’s a sample of Elliot McGucken’s patent application:
“… 6. The method in claim 1 where said ideas spread like viruses, by being spoken, written, or disseminated in some other manner, transforming characters who come in contact with said ideas into vampires, zombies, or other forms of monsters, and where said vampires, zombies, and monsters may be saved or converted back to normal by coming in contact with ideas that oppose the ideas that made them vampires, zombies, and other forms of monsters…”
“
about 1 year ago
“Right now I’ll candidly say you’re doing nothing to earn our respect, much less our interest… except in the morbid sense that people like watching NASCAR to see car crashes.”
Then I imagine you enjoy following the video games industry!
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2350390,00.asp
Video-Game Sales Plunge to Nine-Year Low
http://news.cnet.com/8301-10797_3-10289207-235.html
Video game sales revenue plummets 31 percent
My novel technologies are here to help, but so many fanboys are so filled with teh fiatcoracy’s hate and ignorance that they would rather see the industry and culture and currency debauched, than save it and the greater culture with a renaissance in games, art, film, and literature.
about 1 year ago
“Fiatocracy” is not actually a word.
about 1 year ago
Oh but it is!
http://www.google.com/search?q=fiatocracy&hl=en&filter=0
about 1 year ago
Yes, that’s Google indexing all the places you’ve used it. It’s still not actually a word.
about 1 year ago
Google is not actually a dictionary.
about 1 year ago
Check it out! The rising generation is using the word “fiatocracy” in their signatures!
While games view hookers as lowlifes, worthy of use, abuse and murder, this novel invention would foster games where the hookers have souls, and within those souls are the secrets of the games greater glory and ultimate victory over the fiatocracy and the Supreme Court which has sanctified the murder of tens of millions of innocent souls and plays GTA all day long [...] – by Elliot McGucken PhD
Search for it on this page:
http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=16433.msg675925
http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=9992.msg676329
about 1 year ago
In addition to revolutionizing the gaming industry, I suppose I’ll also go down in history as coining the phrase “fiatocracy.”
about 1 year ago
I assume given your libertarian bent you are referring to fiat currency. However that is akin to calling Nazi Germany an “armbandocracy” because Nazis wore armbands. Oligarchy or perhaps plutocracy may be the actual word you’re looking for, unless I am wrong and you are actually campaigning fearlessly against the tyranny of stylish tiny Italian sports cars.
about 1 year ago
dude–we live in a fiatocracy!
the fiatocracy trained many of you to hate the great books and classics, to rage against the immortal ideals, and to snark manly truth and honor. they did this so as to blind you to your slavery. while they create the debt, you work to pay it off.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzmYI_4XCbM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXb-LrVkuwM
they detest the honor deep in your soul. they detest exalted manhood and womanhood. they detest the classical, epic ideals; and that is why you will not find such worthwhile, exalting entities in GTA/Fallout 3, for as you can see by the fatherless fiatocracy’s fanboy’s comments here, such entities are not allowed.
Trinity: I know why you’re here, Neo. I know what you’ve been doing… why you hardly sleep, why you live alone, and why night after night, you sit by your computer. You’re looking for him. I know because I was once looking for the same thing. And when he found me, he told me I wasn’t really looking for him. I was looking for an answer. It’s the question that drives us, Neo. It’s the question that brought you here. You know the question, just as I did.
Neo: What is the Matrix?
Trinity: The answer is out there, Neo, and it’s looking for you, and it will find you if you want it to.
about 1 year ago
Yup, the rising generation of your sockpuppets. Someone needs to get real instead of having desilusions of grandeur.
about 1 year ago
dude–those sooooo aren’t my sockpuppets!
While games view hookers as lowlifes, worthy of use, abuse and murder, this novel invention would foster games where the hookers have souls, and within those souls are the secrets of the games greater glory and ultimate victory over the fiatocracy and the Supreme Court which has sanctified the murder of tens of millions of innocent souls and plays GTA all day long [...] – by Elliot McGucken PhD
Search for it on this page:
http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=16433.msg675925
http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=9992.msg676329
just ask them!
about 1 year ago
Truth is manly?
What is womanly, then?
(ps: “fiatocracy” is still not actually a word. also, the Austrian economic school was disproven in detail around October of last year, when the financial system nearly collapsed. As best as we know, no golden revolvers were involved.)
about 1 year ago
Of Woman by Arthur Schopenhauer Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rttJo9y22JQ&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zmw3zpqoEA
Not sure how much I agree with.
Certainly there are both truthful and untruthful men and women, which is why it is unfair the feminist movement labels men as bad.
about 1 year ago
Unless I am mistaken, this guy is trolling the entire internet. He is quite a good fisherman
about 1 year ago
@Scott
Dude! The Fed created the bubble & the crash!
No wonder you don’t get my research!
Read the Harvard Historian!
http://www.amazon.com/Meltdown-Free-Market-Collapsed-Government-Bailouts/dp/1596985879
Meltdown: A Free-Market Look at Why the Stock Market Collapsed, the Economy Tanked, and Government Bailouts Will Make Things Worse (Hardcover)
by Thomas E. Woods Jr. (Author), Ron Paul (Foreword)
Product Description
If you are fed up with Washington boondoggles, and you like the small-government, politically-incorrect thinking of Ron Paul, then you’ll love Tom Woods’s Meltdown. In clear, no-nonsense terms, Woods explains what led up to this economic crisis, who’s really to blame, and why government bailouts won’t work. Woods will reveal:
* Which brave few economists predicted the economic fallout–and why nobody listened
* What really caused the collapse
* Why the Fed–not taxpayers–should have to answer for the current economic crisis
* Why bailouts are band-aids that will only provide temporary relief and ultimately make things worse
* What we should do instead, to put our economy on a healthy path to recovery
With a foreword from Ron Paul, Meltdown is the free-market answer to the Fed-created economic crisis. As the new Obama administration inevitably calls for more regulations, Woods argues that the only way to rebuild our economy is by returning to the fundamentals of capitalism and letting the free market work.
about 1 year ago
p.s. imagine a game that allowed you to fight for sound money and the Constitution, instead of sitting in your single-mom’s basement, taking out your hate for the feminist/fiatocracy (which destroyed marriage so as to undemrine the family) by shooting unarmed women and innocent hookers in the games the fiatocracy pumps hundreds of millions of dollars into to keep the fanboys from manning up and finding their true fathers–from reading the Constitution and the Great Books and Classics.
http://www.amazon.com/Meltdown-Free-Market-Collapsed-Government-Bailouts/dp/1596985879
about 1 year ago
You should really combine this. Have the protagonist BE a hooker, transformed by the blinding light of truth into a free-market stormtrooper of the Classicists.
(Since she was a hooker, maybe start with Catullus.)
about 1 year ago
Dr. E, given you posted a link to the same exact paragraph you cited, the link itself is of no value whatsoever. Just a pro-tip: use links to supplement your writing only when they add something of additional substantive value.
But ok, your claim is that your unique idea is the transformation of humans into vampires, zombies, and other monsters based on coming into contact with certain ideas. These people can be transformed back by coming into contact with ideas antithetical to the vectors of infection.
First, is this a novel idea? Perhaps. I genuinely don’t recall any examples of this idea in the games I’m aware of. In other fields it’s obviously in no way novel, e.g. Grant Morrison’s “The Invisibles” has explicit examples of people being turned into monsters by certain ideas, and then turned back into people by contrary ideas.
Second, is this a tenable basis for gameplay? I’d have to say it probably isn’t – I don’t see any interesting choices to be made here – e.g. where there are multiple ways to solve a given problem, and the player has to choose one out of several viable solutions. Rather, it’s (as Belsameth said above) completely linear and based on regurgitating dogma that the designer likes. The player isn’t being challenged here to think for him- or herself, but to react to one talking point from the designer’s personal library with another talking point from the designer’s personal library. This sounds tedious and completely uninteresting as far as gameplay ideas go – I’d be just as well off taking a copy of “Das Kapital” off my shelf and then striking it repeatedly with a copy of “An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations”. Actually, that sounds like a lot more fun than your game since there’s actual freedom of expression there and the potential for emergent gameplay.
about 1 year ago
I have a hard time believing that “Dr. E” or any of his aliases actually is the professor; at least here at the end. It’s going beyond self-parody. More like The “Real” Ron Artest. Take something a little ridiculous and make it much worse.
about 1 year ago
Wow… just… wow. At least I got a few LOLs out of this.
I have a new term for you: batshitcrazocracy.
about 1 year ago
@foolsage
now you’re coming around!
That is but one, small novel aspect of the new technologies!
You guys just aren’t thinking big enough. We were graced with divine reason and imagination, so why not use it? Think like a developer/marketer for a major billion-dollar company here; and come up with some scenes exalted by the new “Gold 45 Revolver” technology!
Think big, like in the ending wherein the Fiatocracy’s Vampires/Communists/Feminized MBA Fanboys swarm our lone rider in the mountain town, screaming/shrieking the words of Lenin/Marx/Feminism/Fiatism in Banshee voices, trying to claim his ideas and his soul.
Alone our lone rider stands in the thundering downpour, as the lightning reveals the grotesque swarm–the horror of their collective countenance is only trumped by the screeching words. Alone he stands, with his 45; and if he has done the right thing throughout, legend has it that the 45 will glow gold and shoot Zeus’s lighting, slaying the hundreds, if not thousands of rough Vampire/Communist/Zombie beasts who slouch his way, screaming, distorting the words/slogans of the declining fiatocracy in a most demonic manner.
See? There are billions of dollars $$$$ in the novel, emotional, exalting gameplay alone. I know you can feel it deep in your bones. You *want* to hold that Gold 45 Revolver. Or you want to obliterate it and that lone rider, and destroy/take his ideas and his soul. But either way, you know you *have* to play the game. That will be $69.95 for the collector’s edition, complete with a metal box. For $179.95, you will also get a life-like Gold 45 Revolver replica, based on the single-action Colt .45–the Peacemaker Smokewagon–the Judge Colt and His Jury of Six.
Who wouldn’t want to play that, just to see if their Gold 45 Revolver fires Zeus’s lightning in the end, or just a little puff of smoke, like a fanboy who took out his hate for the feminist movement (which debauched his father’s classical, epic soul and exiled him in the divorce regime) by killing too many unarmed women and innocent hookers?
More here:
http://www.gamasutra.com/blogs/author/DrElliotMcGucken/1169/
about 1 year ago
That could be a mod of the new technology!
batshitcrazocracy vs. the fiatocracy!
about 1 year ago
Actually, more here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Sue
about 1 year ago
Dr. E, you have a seriously disturbing fixation with prostitutes. You’re clearly unaware of this, but the vast majority of games don’t mention hookers or feature hookers or have anything to do with hookers. Of those games that have any hooker-related content at all, it’s a tiny, tiny minority that encourage or allow violence towards them. There are other games out there besides GTA. Honest.
about 1 year ago
@Kirreia
I think that the term its: batshitinsanetocracy. It sounds better. And it describes the state of the Dr. here present.
about 1 year ago
And no, I’m not coming around. I still don’t see any gameplay value whatsoever in this idea. I certainly wouldn’t pay to play the game you propose, and I don’t believe anyone else would either. I don’t care about your golden penis-metaphor, and the promise of a “reward” like that isn’t enough to make me want to sit through the thoroughly pointless and uninteresting gameplay that (as you describe) would precede it.
about 1 year ago
Seriously though everyone–when is the last time you had so much fun just *READING*?
That’s my job as a professor–to profess and educate.
Just wait until you play the game! I know all of you laugh about it, but imagine that you are a spy, walking around a cafe, and instead of looking for innocent hookers to hire and kill, you have to take out everyone discussing Marx/Lenin in a positive manner. The only thing is, that you have to do it in the right order so as to make a clean escape. So first, you walk around the room, trying not to be noticed as you eavesdrop. If you fail, soon you will see long lines and the death of millions of your countrymen, as “ideas have consequences.”
BTW–I got that phrase from the title of an awesome book:
http://www.amazon.com/Ideas-Have-Consequences-Richard-Weaver/dp/0226876802/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1247857047&sr=8-1
about 1 year ago
@foolsage
You write, “And no, I’m not coming around. I still don’t see any gameplay value whatsoever in this idea. I certainly wouldn’t pay to play the game you propose, and I don’t believe anyone else would either. I don’t care about your golden penis-metaphor, and the promise of a “reward” like that isn’t enough to make me want to sit through the thoroughly pointless and uninteresting gameplay that (as you describe) would precede it.”
why sooooo serious? plus it is not a golden penis but a gold 45 revolver which shoots zeus’s lightning in proportion to the moral level of your preceding actions. what is with you people? sometimes a cigar is just a cigar–freud.
you would be most welcome to not play the game and not be rewarded with epic story, profundity, meaning, and depth; but many, many would play and rejoice in the new technology.
check out the global buzz, dude!
http://www.gamasutra.com/blogs/DrElliotMcGucken/20090717/2462/_Marketers_of_Video_Games_How_Much_is_The_Massive_Gold_45_RevolverIdeas_Have_ConsequencesMoral_Premise_Buzz_Worth.php
don’t be a gold 45 revolver playa hata!
about 1 year ago
dr. e’s ideas are a pathetic combination of the worst of kitsch and metaphysical drivel sired to a peculiarly libertarian resentment towards historical thought. the humor his postings provide is soured by the realization that his mental illnesses preclude his ever laughing with us. i’m just bored now.
about 1 year ago
what do you peeps have against the mentally ill?
why hate on people who cannot help it?
show some love peeps, and the gold 45 will glow gold and shoot zeus’s lightning in that third act y’all are yearning for deep in yer spirits.
about 1 year ago
that was mean. i wish i hadn’t posted it. ugh. this is what you do to me.
about 1 year ago
i forgive you hmm.
i said it before and i’ll say it again. the fiatocracy blinded you to your soul’s glory–to the wondrous beauty of the great books and classics. that is why they are funding EA to place Beatrice in hell, but ultimately they will fail. i know it is not you that says mean things, but it is the fiatocracy working through you, as they slay the soul, love, honor, and epic romance with their hooker-killing, stalinist technologies.
but they have no power over my love for autumn and beatrice. and mark my word–this renaissance will be. that gold 45 will glow gold in that third act. i have concept art to prove it–will share soon.
“Autumn Rangers”
go now–sin no more–go forth and spread the word of the great books gaming renaissance.
about 1 year ago
hooker-killing, stalinist technologies.
Niko Bellic was Serbian, not Russian.
about 1 year ago
I can imagine the Gold 45 development process.
“Hmmm… that’s weird, the programmed game isn’t turning out at all as I thought it would in my mind. This C++ compiler doesn’t get it. Well, no wonder, it was created by hooker-killing members of the fiatocracy. Perhaps if I include a great deal of quotes I admire in block comments throughout the code it will work. Hmm, no, it’s still not working… but I do feel a lot better about myself, and suddenly people are giving me money. Well, I guess that’s progress, then.”
about 1 year ago
I’m still confused. How is a game with only a single successful choice (chose X or game over) being called an open ended game?
There’s no open ended, it’s a QTE. Hopefully one with save points in the middle of it. Press developer approved button X to continue. If you press optional button Y, the game ends.
That’s not open ended, that’s less open ended than a rail shooter. At least there I usually get to pick which gun I press button X with.
about 1 year ago
“Seriously though everyone–when is the last time you had so much fun just *READING*?”
Honestly? I read for pleasure all the time, both in print and on the net. So, um, earlier today.
“@foolsage
You write, “And no, I’m not coming around. I still don’t see any gameplay value whatsoever in this idea. I certainly wouldn’t pay to play the game you propose, and I don’t believe anyone else would either. I don’t care about your golden penis-metaphor, and the promise of a “reward” like that isn’t enough to make me want to sit through the thoroughly pointless and uninteresting gameplay that (as you describe) would precede it.”
why sooooo serious? plus it is not a golden penis but a gold 45 revolver which shoots zeus’s lightning in proportion to the moral level of your preceding actions. what is with you people? sometimes a cigar is just a cigar–freud.
you would be most welcome to not play the game and not be rewarded with epic story, profundity, meaning, and depth; but many, many would play and rejoice in the new technology.”
I’m not all that serious in general. I was attempting to extend an open-minded offer to you, to see if you were able or willing to engage in any level of meaningful discourse about your game design ideas. I already have my answer. Thanks!
And yes, I understand your metaphor is in the shape of a gold revolver. I’ve read that rather a number of times, since you seem very attached to repeating yourself verbatim.
For the record, I have nothing against the mentally ill, and I don’t hate on people who can’t help it. But then, I’m not hating on you, just disagreeing that your ideas as stated have either objective merit or potential value.
about 1 year ago
what language us this?
http://www.playright.dk/forumemne.php?id=14902&sort=0&start=40
Uwe strikes back, og han har spist Jack Thompson og sammen er de reinkarneret i form af Dr. Elliot McGucken!
and is it good to have your name alongside uwe bowls’ and jack thompson’s in this language?
“Uwe strikes back, og han har spist Jack Thompson og sammen er de reinkarneret i form af Dr. Elliot McGucken!
Det er længe siden jeg har læst noget så win i spilsammenhæng. Dr. E, som kan kalder sig, har søgt om det bedste spilpatent. Han vil have patent på… moralske valg i spil! Åh nej, nu må BioWare og dusinvis af andre RPG-udviklere jo begynde at lave sportsspil!”
about 1 year ago
http://intertran.tranexp.com/InterTran?from=dan&to=eng&type=url&url=http://www.playright.dk/forumemne.php?id=14902&sort=0&start=40&Submit=Translate
i feel like bruno likes my patent! (or he likes me.)
about 1 year ago
I suppose when you’re hypomanic, all criticism is a trophy to be saved in text files and spam every corner of the Internet with.
about 1 year ago
I find it astounding that “Dr. E[vil?]” is here arguing with point with the many intelligent people who comment here, as well as Lum himself who’s a big furry savant of goodness and virtual virtue.
I would merely laugh off the fact that McGucken is doing this as sad and pitiful, but after one gets over the patent application’s inherent silliness (when it got to “Woman redistributes property and wealth” I just imagined myself in a sexy red jumpsuit tossing houses all over the place) it gets very scary.
It’s like a listing of very specific fantasies McGucken has. But considering he works at a college, am I the only one who finds *this* to be very alarming?
“The only thing missing from the Hell they have created is the fire, and this game allows one to take a flamethrower to the church of postmodernism- the University. And as they kicked and tortured and beat the poets and prophets, now it’s their turn to feel Justice.”
Not to mention his bizarre fixation on the sexual behaviour of women, his obsession with a gun, and the fact that many of his “moral choices” in the game only ever seem to funnel the player into murdering people who disagree with The Founding Fathers, Hayek, Rand, or whoever the flow chart happens to genuflect before at the time.
This is disturbing. I’ll be up front and say it, we all know school shootings have happened. Someone ought to make the college aware of this pronto.
Maybe he can’t get on the set of whatever television show starring women he hates and murder its cast and crew, but hey, he’s got ID for Pepperdine doesn’t he?
Dr. E I pray that you are the greatest troll of our generation. Because if you aren’t, you need to be put away.
about 1 year ago
woah.
isn’t saying i ought be put away/killed extremely extreme?
it’s also mean-spirited.
perhaps you have killed too many in virtual videogames and it has had a negative effect on you?
i am standing up for innocent hookers and unarmed women in videogames.
i am saying this is wrong:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=587vgvDYjYU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KQSjeu4710&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7b9SbFzIp0
and it is a sad commentary on what the postmodernism of our universities/mass media has contributed to.
i suggest a better, higher form of gaming, with romance and epic story–with character–where one saves hookers, and one does not shoot them–where one can fight for liberty and freedom, and not shoot innocent civilians and women.
about 1 year ago
I didn’t say you should be killed. I said you need help and lots of it.
Not only have there been dozens of video games that present moral choices along the lines of what you describe, but what you’ve written in your patent is nothing short of frightening.
There is nothing “higher” about mass murder of stand-ins for everyone you disagree with, and speaking as a woman you are *not* my saviour. You also have no idea what the lives of sex workers are like.
But even getting around that idea where- in your bizarro universe- feminists like porn that exploits women, your higher form of gaming is “kill everyone who disagrees with you.” It’s not even realistic. How does *one character* agreeing with a person spouting dialectic materialsm cause the world to collapse?
GTA and its like are violent but also nondescript. They are not politically motivated. Your fantasies as expressed in the patent are for everyone connected with- what you see- as some sort of moral rot in our culture to be killed. TV producers, actors, college professors and students, radical leftists. The grand irony in all of this is that as you extol the Founding Fathers you forget what the United States of America was built in: liberty and justice for *all*, including those with ideas you don’t academically agree with.
I’m saying you need pyschiatric help before you turn us all into your own FPS.
There are many ways to fight for democracy and freedom without resorting to violence. Far from encouraging a “more moral” worldview, your game does little else but give us stark insight into a troubled mind who finds oppressors in every realm of his life and has fantasies of killing them.
Women are not your damsels in distress to save. How dare you say that I am so easily led and pliable that I need *you* to save me. How dare you trivialise the lives of those who have been forced into sexual slavery or sex work. And how dare your bosses allow you near students.
There is nothing mean-spirited in my remarks. *This* is me exercising my democratic right to strenuously challenge and disagree with you. That’s real liberty, and it’s time you got used to it. If by some dark miracle this ‘game’ gets published I will merely be one of the first among millions who questions you. Scores already have. You’re going to have to have to accept that this fundamental right to discourse is the real right the Founding Fathers bequeathed us with. Not the right to take a flamethrower to a school.
about 1 year ago
if you note the first diagram at the top of this page, it is about helping people in the sex trade–not about hiring them and shooting them, as was made popular in gta & fallout 3.
my patent strives to solve problems via dialogue over violence. again, please see the flowcharts above. violence is always a last resort in the game, which makes the game unique.
the flame-thrower reference was inspired by my Princeton drama teacher’s favorite film–Scent of a Woman.
Al Pacino, playing Lt. Coonel Frank Slade, mentions “taking a flamethrower to this place (the school)” in the film Scent of a Woman, during the third act’s showdown speech.
check it out at 5:00-5:15 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqsf0XynGz8
he got the academy award for that performance!!!
should pacino the authors of scent of a woman be put away too?
it was the favorite movie of my Princeton drama teacher–Milt.
this imdb quote influenced the patent’s phrasing: Memorable quotes for
Scent of a Woman (1992):
“Lt. Col. Frank Slade: Out of order, I show you out of order. You don’t know what out of order is, Mr. Trask. I’d show you, but I’m too old, I’m too tired, I’m too fuckin’ blind. If I were the man I was five years ago, I’d take a FLAMETHROWER to this place! Out of order? Who the hell do you think you’re talkin’ to? I’ve been around, you know? There was a time I could see. And I have seen. Boys like these, younger than these, their arms torn out, their legs ripped off. But there isn’t nothin’ like the sight of an amputated spirit. There is no prosthetic for that. You think you’re merely sending this splendid foot soldier back home to Oregon with his tail between his legs, but I say you are… executin’ his soul! And why? Because he’s not a Bairdman. Bairdmen. You hurt this boy, you’re gonna be Baird bums, the lot of ya. And Harry, Jimmy, Trent, wherever you are out there, FUCK YOU TOO!” –http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0105323/quotes, Memorable quotes for
Scent of a Woman (1992)
i’m hoping to create deeper, more exalted roles for women in videogames, inspired by the likes of Athena, Penelope, and Beatrice.
i am glad you joined the dialogue & thanks for the feedback.
about 1 year ago
You seem to be genuinely missing the point.
It isn’t about the act itself as shown in a fictional setting. I’m quite certain Pacino nor anyone involved with the making of that film would’ve written a script or a proposal describing that scene in the laudatory terms you do- as if they wished it would happen in real life but are settling for it on the silver screen.
And second, Pacino’s performace there has him ranting about doing so, not actually doing it. You want to actually do it… I mean, have us do it. In a video game. Uh huh.
I’m saying that based on your patent you have fantasies about these things happening. That’s very different from a person writing a screenplay or novel or video game about such things occurring to make a broader point, whilst in no way condoning imitation in real life.
Second, read your *own* flow chart. The second one Lum picked out in no way represents any sort of complexity. The player keeps quoting your heroes, but the woman (interesting that it’s a woman…) keeps on quoting Lenin and then rushes off to seize property and redistribute it (all by herself, evidently, as if she’s some sort of Communist superheroine) and at the very end you have three choices. Agree with her and the world falls to serfdom, quote the Founding Fathers and the world falls to serfdom, or kill her which causes sunshine and happiness and unicorns to rule the day!
Do not insult my intelligence, Mr. McGucken.
You have obviously never played (or more likely, understood) video games if you think moral choice is an absent concept in them. Like many right wingers you assume GTA is the only game that’s ever been made, and also assume we’re all so stupid and sheep-like that the very sight of it turns us into mass murderers. Those more banal insults aside, you also don’t seem to understand what happened in Mass Effect, KotOR or Bioshock. Those systems, as such things go, were rudimentary, yes. But honestly? No more so than what you propose here.
Your patent shows only unbelievably stark choices; a parody of the game systems in the aforementined big games, which at least tried, at times, to go for shades of grey and believable consequences within the context of the game’s fantasy.
Second, ever heard of this little thing called D&D? Indeed, it’s not just Dungeons and Dragons, but every pen-and-paper RPG out there, some of which have their own video games. They present a bewildering and dare I say realistic series of moral choices. D&D has nine morality alignments which are only the vaguest framework to organise the literally thousands of possible moral codes and choices a character can make in the course of a campaign. Such *does* exist in graphical video games.
Neverwinter Nights 1 and 2 both have single player campaigns where there are a wide variety of moral choices at your disposal. My favourite in NWN 1 was a court case your character acted as defence counsel for, with several differing choices presented to them that were a fair mirror of the quandries that face lawyers every day in our own world.
Perhaps you don’t care because none of this has anything to do with Objectivism or a warped reading of the Constitution or with the sex lives of women.
But to most of us normal people, those are morality games that are considerably more advanced than what you’re proposing.
Returning to NWN, my friends and I play on a private gameworld of our own design and when we run campaigns and roleplay our characters we have them confront any number of moral choices which are far deeper and realistic than “Quote Jesus so the world is saved” or “Quote Marx and turn the whole world to serfdom” which are, again, parodies of morality choice games.
On our own private initiative (you’re a capitalist extremist, you should like that) we and countless others created gameworlds that offer a real space for morality to have an impact. We don’t need *you.*
Neither do any other gamers. What you propose is some bizzare game that trivialises politics, men and women alike, and sublimates any sense of realism to your deluded fantasies of slaughtering all who disagree with you in the name of saving the world. It’s childish and a particularly adult kind of sick all at the same time.
I don’t need *you* to create “deeper, more exalted roles for women”. I do that myself, with my characters, in the games I play. Maybe your paternalistic mind can’t give us enough credit for, y’know, roleplaying our own characters in the way we want, but guess what, we do.
Many single player games aren’t exactly progressive when it comes to women at times, but what you’re proposing is no less stupid and no less the product of peculiarly male fantasies about needing to save us from ourselves and ‘protect’ us from hedonism. It is not empowering, it’s just another form of patriarchal tripe.
If you’re truly interested in creating roles for women inspired by Athena, Penelope, and Beatrice, how about recognising that not every woman needs to be rescued by a “virtuous man”?
about 1 year ago
It’s interesting how frequently he leans on his quotes. It’s like they’re ever-present self-justifying delusions that merely their mention will make him right.
The brain is not a gas tank. It does not run better when it is perpetually filled with ideas. It’s more like a pool, the more choppy and rippled it becomes with what you throw in it, the less you’re able to see what truly lies at the bottom of thinking.
about 1 year ago
@Quinnae Moongazer
“If you’re truly interested in creating roles for women inspired by Athena, Penelope, and Beatrice, how about recognising that not every woman needs to be rescued by a “virtuous man”?”
Yes! I agree! Dante put Beatrice in Paradisio/heaven in the original Divine Comedy–she needed no rescuing! That’s what I’m talking about.
EA is putting her in hell in their game Dante’s Inferno, and Dante has to rescue her now.
I thought this was totally missing the point of the poem/inverting Dante’s intent, as it is Beatrice who rescues Dante, and not the other way around.
That’s the kind of archetypal woman games need more of–the true Beatrice.
I agree with the videogames journalist Heather Chaplin:
http://g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/694389/GDC-2009-Smartbomb-Author-Heather-Chaplin-Tells-Game-Designers-To-Grow-Up.html
http://www.destructoid.com/videogames-are-stupid-and-babyish-states-games-journalist–126722.phtml
http://www.destructoid.com/videogames-are-stupid-and-babyish-states-games-journalist–126722.phtml
“Chaplin used her slot to tell the industry, as reasonably as she could, to grow up. See, she covers the business for the mainstream outlets – she co-write Smartbomb, the single best book to buy anyone who doesn’t understand your “hobby,” and she reports at NPR among other venues. She says this puts her in the role of a “translator,” trying to tell the mainstream why gaming even matters. This also means explaining a lot of big-name games that feature zombies, and aliens, and girls in metal bikinis wielding axes. And while she’s heard the excuses – it’s “a very new medium” – she’s way past accepting them.
Like Wendy slapping around the lost boys, Chaplin patiently but firmly laid down the line. “It is you guys as game designers who are mired deeply in ‘guy culture,’” Chaplin said. The problem isn’t the medium: “You are a bunch of stunted adolescents.” Games avoid any of the things that separate men from boys: responsibility, introspection, intimacy, and intellectual discovery. And “when you’re talking about culture-makers, this is a problem.””
–http://www.pixelvixen707.com/?p=1406
More later, but have to go surfing!
Wow–we all typed a lot today….
Best,
Dr. E
about 1 year ago
Of course, this assumes his underlying agenda isn’t just to continue to legitimize himself in order to sell a worthless idea. Given that his focus is marketing and not design, which do you think is more likely?
about 1 year ago
Mr. McGucken, I have to thank you for furnishing me with a series of quotes from a very intelligent woman to make my point for me.
The problem I have with you is that you missed the broader point in the last sentence of my previous post (as well as conveniently ignoring the fact that I disproved the need for your patent’s very existence).
It is that *you* fancy yourself as that man, telling me what I need, daring to tell me that I need to be saved by your wisdom, and telling me how I react to video games and what they’re doing to me.
Second, I find ‘stunted adolescent’ a good way to describe you, based on your writings. If you think that anything in that patent creates a game world that promotes responsibility, introspection, intimacy or intellectual discovery, then you are truly lost and I pity you, merely hoping those who *are* responsible have the wherewithal to keep you from sharp objects.
A game that posits women as hookers needing to be saved, and a game that posits women (like your Lenin spouting Marxist) who disagree with your views as needing nothing less than death, as well as a game that more broadly mangles politics to a very infantile shadow of its former self and teaches nothing, a game that teaches us that women who don’t toe your line deserve to be shot, a game that teaches us that philosophical conversations cause the world to end in serfdom… is nowhere near what Ms. Chaplin was asking for.
I am *very* interested to hear what she thinks about this. Perhaps I’ll email her. Thanks for the link, Mr. McGucken.
about 1 year ago
I’m both horrified and delighted that quoting Dr E’s particular brand of insanity was then used in an attempt to prove that fiatocracy is a word.
And going back: yeah, it’s a big issue that the choice is either killing hookers or saving hookers, all with a Golden 45 that shoots Zeus’ lightning. It’s not exactly a female empowerment story, what with all those helpless hookers just waiting for a man to come save them or kill them. Either way, they are just meat puppets. Not exactly a sterling position for feminist support.
about 1 year ago
Holy shit, what’s going on here!
about 1 year ago
The inevitable conclusion of an unusually determined charlatan encountering a den of unusually determined critics.
about 1 year ago
Dr. E, using Leonidas, Sparta, or 300 as an analogy for a good society is pretty wrong-headed. The movie 300 is an embarrassingly bad re-write of history. The truth of the matter is that Sparta was able to keep a large, highly trained standing army because the nation was founded almost entirely on the practice of slavery and needed said army to prevent revolt, not to protect Greek freedom.
Likewise, you might also have noticed – if you had payed attention – that rather than being vindicated in his right to speak as he chose, Socrates was put to death, the only mercy he was shown was the chance to take his own life rather than being deprived of it forcibly.
Of course, if you actually had any interest at all in the classics you might have stumbled upon these little gems. Similarly, you might also have noticed that the Boston tea party so beloved in American history actually occurred because the British were importing tea with lowered rates of taxation into the colonies (once it reached the consumer), against which the local smugglers could not compete – turns out a number of your “sons of liberty” were self-interested smuggling assholes.
Stop using specious retelling of history to front Nietzsche-ian Ubermensch philosophy dressed up as an idea for a game. Because a) Nietzsche was exceedingly naive as to the ability of a man to discern right from wrong (See: Hitler, NSDAP – who used Nietzsche’s work to justify totalitarianism and slaughter) and b) games already exist that give the player the ability to choose from several morality choices (limited at a systemic level). It’s not our fault that these choices don’t agree with you: because you’re a fucking fruitcake.
about 1 year ago
Another madman that rescribe history for suiting his agenda. Touching.
@Joshua Meadows
Its more the battle between the Dr. trying to crush this den of criticism with the sheer weight of his text walls and the critics trying to object the Dr. with the facts. Its not like he will recognize them anytime soon. BTW, using Hollywood for reference to the history instead of doing actual research didnt work to students trying to avoid reading books and like hell it work now.
about 1 year ago
I’m really not positive he’s outright insane, so much as if he’s actually just a really determined charlatan who is (if you pardon the pun) sticking to his guns. Dragging a bunch of barely applicable quotes out of the woodwork to support your premise is fairly standard fodder for a confidence trick.
Whether or not he’s really out of it depends on if he honestly believe what he’s saying. However, either way, he should consider mental help, as being criminally inclined enough to file bogus patents or bilk institutions out of $125,000 is, in itself, a mental illness.
about 1 year ago
Sheepherder said: “Nietzsche was exceedingly naive as to the ability of a man to discern right from wrong (See: Hitler, NSDAP – who used Nietzsche’s work to justify totalitarianism and slaughter)”
To be fair, what Hitler or anyone else did with Nietzsche’s writings isn’t Nietzsche’s fault, nor does it indicate anything in itself about Nietzsche or the validity or value of his writings. Similarly, the Beatles aren’t responsible for Charles Manson nor is J.D. Salinger responsible for Mark David Chapman.
about 1 year ago
You are correct, however Nietzsche’s ubermensch philosophy was naive all the same, as it presupposed that a truly moral man could exist, that such a man should have the power to rule autocratically, and that moral inferiority prevented an unworthy man from rising to the forefront.
Which is kind of what I’m saying to Dr. E, the heroes we revere are often not the men they are made out to be.
about 1 year ago
Hey there peeps,
Surf has been up this weekend! And it’s finally hot out there!! The June gloom is gone, and the July sky is out en force.
This is quite a thread! But it’s a bit on the gloomy side compared to the weather out there.
If everyone could list three positive things they find about tomorrow’s Gold 45 Revolver / Ideas Have Consequences / Moral Premise games/technologies/patents, that would be fun!
We have so much to cool fun look forward to!
Anyone going to comic-con this week?
If you see me there, I will give you a free t-shirt or two if you speak the magic phrase, “broken toyz fiatocracy fanboyz.” Please whisper them softly as I do not wish for the word to be getting out just yet regarding the impending Great Books Renaissance in gaming. We should probably keep the secrets of our future games to ourselves, so as not to show up on the fiatcoracy’s radar just yet.
Soon, I can tell we will all be getting together and forming a gaming company to build out the new exalted technologies, serving ideals greater than ourselves, and heroically and selflessly rescuing the ailing gaming industry, where too, too many are being laid off, and too much cash is being lost by investors on visionless, massive groupthink corporations reskinning GTA and God of War and calling it Dante’s Inferno. We could go surfing every day (company policy) and have an IPO in a year or so, or maybe just sell the Gold 45 Revolver technology/games to EA or Bethesda, so they could exalt Fallout 3 with deeper meaning, more engaging stories, romance, hookers worth talking to, and Homeric character. Either way, we should all be driving Dodge Vipers in a year or so. Scott seems like he would make a great CEO. I’d offer to do it myself, but I probably would be out surfing too much; and it seems Scott has a better rapport with y’all than I do. Oh well, we all have our places in this world, and I am happy just to be a part of such a great team, and serve alongside y’all in this battle for epic idealism and video games wherein ideas have consequences, whence epic romance, battle, chracter, honor, story, and plot are all finally united in simple moral premises, and games finally gain soul in being exlated as classical, epic art.
We should probably draw up a corporate hierarchy flowchart soon, and form an HR department headed by geldonyetich and sheepherder. We will all have nametags with our usernames/handles, so that will be fun, and y’all can wear masks at the new company, so as to maintain your anonymity and keep mean-spirited ad hominem attacks easy & fun. I look forward to seeing you and your masks every day in our lavish corporate offices, complete with free eminems and soda pop to keep you happy in your cubicle as you work long/insane hours to bring the soulful games to life.
I know many of you have been thinking of possible games utilizing the novel technology. Many of you have pondered the possibilities of endowing the Gold 45 Revolver/Ideas Have Consequences/Moral Premise technology with your own thoughts, values, and belief systems, to varying degrees of satisfaction. Instead of shooting the Lenin-quoting, property-redistributing woman in the flowchart on the patent’s first page, for instance, many of you have replaced her with folks quoting the founding fathers or Ron Paul or Dr. E, whcne you shoot them and/or have them put away so as to serve the fiatocracy. I am sure some of you have already drawn this up–some might have made a fallout mod of this, incorporating my words. Perhaps there will be a market for such games–in fact–I am sure of it, and we will definitely devote company resources to your mods based on this theme, as after all, we own the tehcnology and might as well employ it across the spectrum, for, as many of you pointed out, there is no such thing as ideals and the Constitution, and as long as there is a market for debased debauchery, teh free market dictates that it is our holy duty to serve it. Rockstar/Bethesda/EA have the hooker-killing/Beatrice-in-Hell market covered, and our company will cover various other demands, such as those for epic story, romance, character, honor, and exalted meaning in gameworlds.
“Historians from England will say I am a liar, but history is written by those who have hanged heroes.” –Braveheart
“Again, purists must remember that 300 seeks to bring a comic book, not Herodotus, to the screen. Yet, despite the need to adhere to the conventions of Frank Miller’s graphics and plot — every bit as formalized as the protocols of classical Athenian drama or Japanese Kabuki theater — the main story from our ancient Greek historians is still there: Leonidas, against domestic opposition, insists on sending an immediate advance party northward on a suicide mission to rouse the Greeks and allow them time to unite a defense. Once at Thermopylae, he adopts the defenses to the narrow pass between high cliffs and the sea far below. The Greeks fight both en masse in the phalanx and at times range beyond as solo warriors. They are finally betrayed by Ephialtes, forcing Leonidas to dismiss his allies — and leaving his own 300 to the fate of dying under a sea of arrows.
But most importantly, 300 preserves the spirit of the Thermopylae story. The Spartans, quoting lines known from Herodotus and themes from the lyric poets, profess unswerving loyalty to a free Greece. They will never kow-tow to the Persians, preferring to die on their feet than live on their knees.
If critics think that 300 reduces and simplifies the meaning of Thermopylae into freedom versus tyranny, they should reread carefully ancient accounts and then blame Herodotus, Plutarch, and Diodorus — who long ago boasted that Greek freedom was on trial against Persian autocracy, free men in superior fashion dying for their liberty, their enslaved enemies being whipped to enslave others.”
–http://www.victorhanson.com/articles/hanson101106.html
–http://www.gamasutra.com/blogs/DrElliotMcGucken/20090710/2366/That_will_be_6995_for_the_collectors_edition.php
–http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3143589
Best,
Dr. E
P.S. Get out and enjoy the sun & surf! And everyone needs to list three positive aspects of the novel technologies before our first official company meeting!
about 1 year ago
And with that beautiful vision, I think it’s time for this fantasia to ride off into the sunset.
Note to “Dr. E.”: any future posts on unrelated topics will be ruthlessly moderated into Objectivist ash. There is no shortage of links within this post for future acolytes to pursue the purity of your vision.