Broken Toys

Please tell me he’s kidding about simply being able to log out to avoid death. Please, please tell me he’s joking.

Amazing, always, always count with the player for find out all the exploits and use them until the end of times. Jeez its all the EVE exploits drama all over again. And yes they will exploit for defeating other players and only the pharmers will exploit more.

And these people should learn from others and not getting in the Mythic “we are omniscent despite the fact that others did all our mistakes” train. And i hope seeing a fix to exploits, even if it means eliminating the friendly fire option (unless you AoE).

Its like those 13 year olds that believe that drugs sex and booze are the most incredible stuff in the planet. Seriously just because your “senior players” believe that exploiting its cool and everybody that complains its a “carebear” doesnt mean that they are right.

Guess what, when those players are the only left because nobody stays in a exploited game for too long, those players are going to leave too because they arent affected in the minimal if you go bankrupt. So its time to be the parent instead of the child. Its called freedom, not anarchy.

There’s something thrilling about discussing the launch of this game.

From what I understand, the servers have been down 8-10 hours to make way for a new patch.

And already, players are calling exploits left and right, some demanding a server wipe: http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/4/view/forums/thread/225792/Wipe-the-server.html

Beautiful.

gyrus :

Raelyf :blah blah blah

But this is where the “wannabe Hardcore PvPers” are exposed as frauds.
The group of 5 goes out and kills the 10… of which at least 1 (probably more) will log out and ragequit. And for every 10 people that log out this way, 1 will go to the forums and whine that the whole game is overrun with ‘ganksquads’.
Maybe some of the 10 will group together and hunt down the group of 5 – and a couple of them (the original 5) will ragequit too… since it’s only fun when it happens to someone else.
And over time, a PvP grouping size will be established that will become the ‘norm’ for the game. It will become common knowledge that in order to PvP you need a group of X players. Player groups with less than the magical ‘X’ wont even try.
You will also see another unusual behavior… if two groups of X meet – they will NOT fight – they will skirt around each other.
Now sure, after a long period of time, the wannabe PvPers who don’t like to die ‘eva’ will all drop their subs and the game will be left with real PvPers who can handle a ‘k/d ratio’ (Kill/Death Ratio) of 1 – but even within that there will be some players who are far better than others. Great for them – bad if you are one of the others (IIRC there is an article here or on Raph Koster’s site about this).
The subscribers that are left are hopefully enough to keep the Developer in business? At THAT point we may see the games potential.
We are a few months away from that yet.

I agree with you in a lot of ways, and the game is certainly going to take a few months to stabilize. People generally think they’re better than they are, and all those who can’t accept that sooner or later they’ll die will quit, and some will certainly bitch. In EVE, we laugh at people who get angry when they lose ships; “Don’t fly what you don’t want to lose” is very often repeated, and most likely will develop in some form and Darkfall.
Generally, pvp group sizes range drastically in size and composition in EVE – larger groups sacrifice a great deal of mobility and organization in return for numbers and firepower, so there’s incentives for both. Sure, weaker groups generally run from smaller ones, but often some losses happen even if they’re not fully forced into an engagement. How such a system will play out in Darkfall, I have no idea – EVE works because it’s a spaceship game which is simply fundamentally different than a fantasy setting when it comes to combat mechanics and game balance.
Darkfall has ALOT of issues to address – but I really think there is a place, even if it is destined to be a niche game, for a ‘hardcore’ pvp MMO. Personally, meaningful loss (and gain!) from pvp is absolutely essential – WoW style, gear dominated pvp with no consequences, predictable settings and sides, ect. is incredibly boring to me and many others.
To say that hardcore pvp in an MMO can’t be done simply isn’t true – EVE has done it very successfully*. Whether it can be done in a fantasy setting I’m not so sure. I very much like the ‘idea’ of it, but only time will tell how it’ll hash out, and whether Darkfall’s success or failure is telling about the viability of the idea. Lag, exploits, bugs, ect. could all crush the game before it even has a chance. Assuming it meets those hurdles, implementation is the next – poor design is poor design, and will fail.

*Unless you measure it to WoW, of course. But a MMO which can maintain itself, continue to release content and pay the bills is a success in my book.

Well, we’re talking about a company that still hasn’t updated its website’s front page. It oozes professionalism through every pore.

Although hacks would worry me very much if I were a subscriber (especially if personal info gets leaked out), how worse could it possibly get when you already have whole threads of people reporting macroing and various other exploits?

I think you should remember posts like these before you make another crybaby rant about people in the MMO industry losing their jobs.

Vetarnias :Well, we’re talking about a company that still hasn’t updated its website’s front page. It oozes professionalism through every pore.

Beyond that, it hasn’t updated any of its content. Reading the FAQ and features list, they may as well be describing another game entirely.

At what point is a line crossed? Surely if you released a $52 boxed game, and on the box it described items like player-designed housing and the like, when such features were not in the game at all, people would have cause to be annoyed.

I think Aventurine is very close to if not right across that line. Those of us who’ve slogged through the forums, the leaks, etc. have more or less a rough idea of what’s in and what’s out, but there is something beyond genial incompetence in leaving wildly out-of-date features lists on their website. I’m hesitant to say fraud or scam, because I don’t want to be needlessly provocative, but at some point even gross incompetence transmogrifies into something even more reprehensible.

Vetarnias :@TariqOne
But if it turns out to be fraud or scam, what’s your recourse? They’re in Greece and distribute it themselves, so if what they’re doing is okay under Greek and/or European law, you can’t do anything. You can’t have your local authorities pull the product off the shelves if you live anywhere else because it isn’t there to begin with. It’s basically at your own risk, which is probably one of the main reasons I decided to hold out on the game until I obtained some confirmation of its credibility.

I agree with everything you’ve said. Indeed, I went from must-buy to probably-never-ever myself over the course of these last few months. I deliberately held off on yelling fraud for all the reasons you set forth above (plus my constant fear of devolving into that angry-internetman-the-customer-is-always-right old man I know lurks inside of me).

I believe or want to believe there is a place for a Darkfall-like game, despite the fact that such things seem to attract the most fetid group of cretins imaginable. Yeah, despite all that I want to play the game described on the Darkfall website. I just don’t think Darkfall is that game.

I know people like this. The guy is serious. He thinks he’ll be somebody because he can play a video game. Scary. On a side note I do hope this game does well. Why you ask. Because then there will be a place for the nutters.

Oh, and here is more about him: http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Dr34d0g

Mr. Jennings, you didn’t exactly “discover” him, did you?