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Last primary there were 15 people from our precinct to turn out for the primary caucus (the second step of the now-legendary Texas Two-Step… apparently, Texas is too big a state to limit you to voting just once). The state party warned of an expected 150%-200% additional turnout.
There were easily over 300 people tonight.
The local party organization was literally nonexistent – there was one (ONE) Democratic Party guy there who I don’t even think was an elected official but just a local lawyer, and who kept saying that he had never seen so many people voting Democrat in a single room (we were taking up an entire church). So the first order of business was literally to elect enough party officials to make the caucus legal – like, a precinct party chairperson (previous to tonight the position didn’t exist). Then we had to sign up and prove that we had voted in the primary already.
The Obama campaign. in its instructions on texas.barackobama.com, instructed people that once you signed up with your preference, you could leave. Clearly they were basing this on state caucuses that had, well, any experience at all. Most of us looked at each other and said “Yeah, we probably better hang around”.
During this process after we signed off, we went to pew sections cordoned off in Obama sections and Clinton sections for 2 precincts (they were both meeting in the same church and both in equal states of organizational disrepair). The Obama sections immediately started cheering every time someone came and “joined the family”. One Clinton supporter came over and asked, simply, “Can you give one good reason why you’re supporting Barack Obama?” I responded with a verbal version of a post I’ve made on many Internet forums in the past year or so, about politics of the past 16 years being divisive instead of inclusive, and Obama’s core promise to change that and work together for all Americans. Another man, an old black man wearing a Vietnam Veterans ball cap, stood up and said simply that in his lifetime he never thought that he would see white people supporting a black man for President, and there was no way anyone could convince him to support anything else.
As we waited for the interminable signin process, the debates continued between the Clinton supporters and the Obama faction, fairly good-natured for the most part and actually made me feel really good about what this election is doing for just inspiring ordinary folks to get involved. The ethnic breakdown of our precinct, in my rough guesstimate was about 50% white, 25% black, and 25% Latino – most of the Latinos went for Clinton, all but one of the blacks for Obama, and the whites seemed about 60/40 for Obama. Finally the votes were tallied, and our precinct sent 2 delegates for Ms. Clinton and 5 for Mr. Obama (to loud raucous cheers). We then had to choose said delegates; the 8 or so candidates for the 5 slots stood up and said a few words, then we voted for each ones (having to vote 5 times total). It was about as complex as it sounds. The new precinct chairwoman and the Vietnam Veteran were both voted in as Obama delegates.
Finally, it was asked if we had any resolutions to propose to the state convention. One guy promptly stood up and said that we should make it so that instead of the candidate choosing a vice-president, they had to select the person who came in second. Despite the head shaking “is that even legal?” reaction from myself and most others, we voted… and the motion passed. Watch out, Constitution! OK, we’re finally done, 2 and half hours later. NOPE! As we were heading out the door someone else stood up and read a pre-prepared statement, in legalese, that amounted to a motion to impeach the Republican Governor of Texas. That passed too.
Democracy: it’s a messy business.
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about 2 years ago
I’m glad to read that you participated, even if it’s a grueling process.
GO OBAMA!!! *crosses fingers*
about 2 years ago
That actually kinda sounds like fun, if you have the time for it. Good show.
about 2 years ago
Congrats on going to the caucus in Texas! I was rather pissed that the caucus in New Mexico was really a primary that was technically a caucus because it was funded completely by the Democratic party. Yeah it’s messy but it’s a glorious mess.
Think about it. We are a nation built up of freaks. Those who wanted to jump of the edge of the world, losers who attempted one more chance, dreamers who everyone thought were crazy, religious fighters who failed their fight, hard-eyed businessmen with no place to go for the big prize, and crooks that were thirty minutes and a good tide away from the law. We are a nation of the broken people of the old world came here. we argue, constantly… We are petty, lazy, greedy, shiftless and crazy.. on a good day.
And we made it work, beyond what anyone with a spec of sense would have beleived.
We took a drunken rabble with firearms and beat back the great power of the day. We slew the original sin of our nation, not once, but twice, and if Obama wins the presidency, a third time yet again. We came to the aid of our estranged parents, and saved the world from a darker path both World Wars. We split the atom for war and peace before anyone else has. We have touched the face of the moon, and nobody else has done that yet, for all these years… We have been the feather on the balance of fate so many, many, times.
And still we are a messy people. We lurch along, fighting and arguing. We kill our brightest stars. Our pettiness and laziness and lust still bubble at the surface. We are a mongrel nation, struggling against multiple failed pasts to try and find a better future.
We are a nation of flawed people, and we know it, but somehow… Magically… We find a way, a way to turn the lead of our broken selves into the gold of a better future. People are broken, and we manage to make it work anyway.
about 2 years ago
Interesting. My precinct had about 450 people show up, but we had to pick a total of 63 (!) delegates to send (42 for Obama, 21 for Clinton). It was big enough that the voting process went something like “can the 42 potential delegates most committed to actually going on the 29th go over there, and we’ll approve you en masse?”
So now I’m a delegate to the convention for my senatorial district supporting Obama. I’m sort of comfortable with that.
Ah, this is why we might have had more votes: http://www.texasobserver.org/article.php?aid=2697
about 2 years ago
I think the explanation for the delegate disparity is that I live in Williamson County, where prior to this year Democrats were endangered species. Since the delegate allocation is based on last cycle’s primary votes, well, there you go. It also explains why our caucus was particularly, um, lacking in adult supervision.
about 2 years ago
Cool! What did the governor do again?
about 2 years ago
Sounds like a process that is designed to discourage participation by poor folks
about 2 years ago
The lack of adult supervision was present at my caucus last night as well. Based on previous turnout it was expected that maybe 20 people, mostly the neighborhood association leaders, would show up. Instead, 175 people arrived. We ended up sending 8 on for Clinton and 7 for Obama, including myself. The split on demographics was all over the place, we had young and old and brown and white — there was no clear group divide. People brought their kids and they brought their oxygen tanks. All in all, it was an amazing exercise in democracy and controlled insanity.
about 2 years ago
At my precinct some random 20ish person ended up taking up the packet to be the precinct captain and read the rules out loud and apparently if nobody is the precinct captain, the FIRST PERSON to say they want the packet gets it. GG Democrats.
Ten minutes later, I ended up signing people in as we had 8 signin sheets running in parallel and having no idea if we were doing this correctly and I was the oldest one helping to sign in and it was amusing. Who even knows if the signin sheets we copied will count.
It was also interesting that almost nobody had ever done the caucusing before and it was only after we flailed around for a while that a few people started to explain how to it and I was wondering why they didn’t speak up beforehand if they knew what was going on.
about 2 years ago
My district had nearly 500 people show up (Central Austin, district 239), and the fire marshal came through looking kind of peeved, since they had expected about 100-200 people. Our district split something like 70-30 for Obama, and we are sending 39 delegates for Obama (including myself) and I think 19 for Clinton.
We were lucky to have a very prepared district chairman who handled things fairly well, though the chaos of packing 500 people into an elementary school cafeteria trumps that preparedness to a certain extent.
about 2 years ago
Kudos for sticking with that and making sure your voice was heard.
about 2 years ago
The constitution doesn’t prohibit your motion, as who the party picks as its candidate is entirely their own responsibility. The VP just has to meet the same eligibility requirements as the Presidential candidate.
Up until 1804 the VP was the person who came in second in the general election, but this led to significant conflict between Adams and Jefferson. The 12th amendment required the two offices to be voted for by separate ballot.
Nothing would restrict you from motioning your state with a proposal to make their VP nomination go to the second person on the list, but its very likely this would be dismissed out of hand. The current system allows the VP nomination to be a token of negotiation (one reason why the role has such low esteem).
It sounds like a motion to attempt to force the “dream team” but in reality if either Clinton or Obama have clear leads they will want to negotiate for the best candidate to win the general election. Neither would want to have their running mate forced upon them, even if the dream team were the best possible option (which it is probably not).
The motion would eliminate the possibility of interesting strategic pairings like an Obama-Sebelius ticket.
about 2 years ago
I am gonna vote for Obama just because he is black. Regardless of how in-experienced as long as he speaks well and is a good human being he deserves it.
about 2 years ago
The caucus I went to last night expected under 12 people and ended up having about 250. It was a mess but by 11:30pm we were heading out the door. I also am proudly going to the other convention on the 29th. Hope to see others there!
about 2 years ago
My precinct normally has about 7 show up, but last night had 149. It would have been more like 200, but we didn’t get to get in the door until after 9PM and quite a few people left by then.
I took a picture of the madness: http://tprjones.livejournal.com/35189.html
about 2 years ago
The original constitution had the #2 runner up becoming VP. Though that was on the national level not the party level.
This is why Hamilton got shot.
To cut down on the number of Burr related shootings our founding fathers quickly made it so that the candidate got to designate his VP.
I defer to their wisdom.
about 2 years ago
To lose is to win, and he who wins shall lose.
about 2 years ago
why the hell couldn’t you have impeached bush instead of inflicting him on all of us?
about 2 years ago
Probably because in spite of the fact that he’s a terrible president, he’s not even by any means the worst president we’ve ever had and nobody has been able to produce real evidence of criminal activity. Therefore most members of Congress are rightly reticent to use such an extreme measure.
about 2 years ago
That and republicans won’t impeach one of their own and stuff.
I was greatly disheartened to see the turnouts from the primaries. The campaign Senator Clinton has devolved into repulsive and offensive.
I can only shake my head in disbelief seeing that her tactics, apparently, worked. When the campaign began I was Hillary-neutral, but her conduct during these primaries have moved her past the point of redemption. I can’t vote for her in the general. I just can’t. McCain could potentially win an election entirely on the margin of disenfranchised Obama voters that loathe Hillary.
I’ve already written letters to all the Wisconsin super-delegates appropriate for my location demanding…begging them to follow the will of the state and their constituents. Tammy Baldwin is a staunch Clinton supporter even in spite of the fact that my (her) district voted for Obama 2:1.
about 2 years ago
Yes, unfortunately we can’t oust our leader with a vote of confidence. We have to wait for the next election or catch them breaking federal laws.
about 2 years ago
You know, the Democratic primary system is run more like a Republic, while the Republican primary system is run more like a Democracy.
Irony ftw.
about 2 years ago
“I don’t belong to an organized party – I’m a Democrat”
–Will Rogers
about 2 years ago
To be fair, I doubt anyone ever even imagined Americans actually participating in the democratic process.
about 2 years ago
Hah! Nice to hear that things weren’t much better in Texas. Here in Nevada, the caucuses were chaotic and unruly, with bits of yelling here and there and lots of confused looks.
‘course that’s nothing compared to the clusterfuck that was our county convention:
http://driph.com/words/2008/02/more-on-the-clark-county-dem-convention/
about 2 years ago
“that amounted to a motion to impeach the Republican Governor of Texas. That passed too.”
I suggest you look into Rick Perry if you haven’t already. He supports the NAFTA Superhighway against the wishes of Texas, has secret meetings with foreigners, and on and on and on.
He’s your everyday, super-corrupt, handpicked Politician.
about 2 years ago
Guess I am the only republican here. I want Mike Huckabee because of Fair Tax. I will still vote republican because they are against nationalized health care.
NAFTA and foreigners (I am one) are not the cause of American’s decline economy, it is labor unions (the ones that monopolize salary), teacher’s unions and social security.
about 2 years ago
I wish Obama would win, but Clinton has been an attendee/member of the Bilderberg Group – To the best of my knowledge, Obama is not.
Look them up if you’ve never heard of them. Call me a conspiracy nut if you’d like. Nothing would make me happier than to be proven to be one, especially in this instance..
But given Clinton’s surprising turn-around after 11 straight loses.. Well.. Actually it’s not that surprising to me at all.
Mark my words, Clinton will likely win the whole shebang.
about 2 years ago
If Clinton wins, I just hope it’s with the Superdelegates. I hope Obama ends up taking the majority of popular votes by the time it’s done. Because I want to see just how much whining there is about how Clinton pulled a Bush and won on a technicality when she lost the popular vote.
I’d rather Obama won, though. He might actually win against McCain in the general election, where Clinton doesn’t have a chance in hell of beating McCain.
about 2 years ago
It’s funny that you want a bipartisan guy who will buck the system, but you support Obama over McCain.
about 2 years ago
Apart from the whole impeachment thing, your experience sounds like a mirror image of the one I had out here in WA. It was chaotic, but it felt good to see so many people participating and energized for the election.
about 2 years ago
I just hope that whoever wins the November election sends our country into a downward spiral that from which we spend decade recovering. Actually I don’t hope, I’m just guessing.
about 2 years ago
I think we all know the real reason for Scott’s support of Obama: their shared love of communist flags
:p
@Hellfire
Dems have been in charge of Congress since last year. If they really had something they could have impeached Bush on, you’d think they’d jump all over it (they hate the man with a passion). Clinton, unlike Bush, actually broke a law. Had he not been stupid and admitted he had an affair in office he would have had nothing to fear but lying to a prosecutor is kinda illegal. Even if you buy the “Bush lied” line, there’s no law against it.
about 2 years ago
yes. a bunch of democrats who are all about inclusion wanting to impeach anybody with an (r). hypocrites.
style: 1
substance: 0
about 2 years ago
Your experience was much better then mine in Cedar Park. We had people that were told they could leave after signing a paper, we had Obama people telling the Clinton people it’s not to late to switch and you may as well just go home and not vote.
I was raised that you didn’t discuss politics. You choose based on what you believe in and you are free to vote however you damn well please… not bound to a particular party. I didn’t like how the caucus removed all privacy of who you were voting for by telling you to sit in a section of the auditorium based on who you want to vote for. Being me, I sat in the middle and simply replied it doesn’t really matter since I have to come up there and sign a paper with who my vote is for. People then started sitting in the middle as well but lots of dirty looks were given from both sides. I didn’t like how people were telling others to switch sides… it is their right to vote for who they want. The bully syndrome should have been left at the door along with the Obama and Clinton shirts being worn by those running the caucus which was horrible.
Oh, they also had one listing of who had voted earlier and over 500 people waiting in line to have their vote count. I guess no one ever thought to print off additional copies and break it down with letters of last name for different sign up areas. *shrugs*
Moving forward to casting your vote. We were told you “Must fill out all information” I ask what information are we being asked. The response: Name, Address, Sex, Email, Sexual Preference, Race ect. *Raises hand* Is this a requirement in order to vote? Of course not we need this information though. Great! I have a choice to participate in their polling statistics which I don’t want to be a part of. I get up sign the paper and do my duty and I get called out… Tiggs, You didn’t fill out all the information that you are required too. I thought I missed something important so I asked oh what did I miss and they point to the information that isn’t required. Uh, I think not! I was then scolded like I was 5 years old on how important it is to participate blah blah blah.
After being there for 3 hours this Joisey gal pretty much told them where to shove their statistics and walked out. I am guessing my vote counted but who knows for sure. I lost a lot of faith in our system after my caucus venture.
about 2 years ago
The real reason Lum is for Obama revealed:
http://www.fromthemaas.com/maas/archives/127-Il-Bama.html