Eve: CCP Strikes Back


In an astoundingly detailed (with many screenshots of internal tools and emails), vehement and visceral news posting, CCP’s internal affairs posts a detailed journal of their investigation, which concluded: Goonfleet deliberately attacked Eve Online.

Since last Friday, an unnamed corporation posted over 4000 times on EVE’s message boards concerning these allegations. In addition, 1046 posts were made on Digg.com; 235 comments were added on Slashdot; and made multiple EVE-related edits on Wikipedia. Each of these sites was hit within a few hours of each other, at the start of the three-day Memorial Day weekend in the US and a three-day weekend in Iceland, all referencing unfounded allegations — now proven to be false — that occurred three weeks ago or longer.

The volume and timing of these near-simultaneous references is no coincidence: we were the target of a carefully constructed and well-timed social engineering effort by one of the largest player groups in our community. The intention? To undermine EVE Online and the credibility of CCP Games.

More specifically, the objective of this scheme was to permanently paint CCP as a biased and corrupt company that favors a select group of players over the rest of our community. In this particular case, instead of receiving notification of a possible problem and sufficient time to examine and address it, we faced a coordinated and hostile attack executed on our forums, Digg, Wikipedia, Slashdot, and other outlets at the beginning of a three-day weekend. We believe this speaks volumes of the intention of the person(s) responsible for orchestrating this scheme. Verification of this can be readily found on the forums of the people responsible—or at least could, the last time we looked.

Claims that the goal of this effort was to expose corruption within the company cannot be taken seriously. They are simply a smokescreen intended to mobilize and use the EVE community against CCP. There is no evidence to support the claim of information sent to CCP concerning internal corruption and wrongdoings on the part of our employees is being systematically suppressed.

The fact that this attack took place over a holiday weekend was especially revealing of motive, which we believe was specifically by design to ensure that CCP would not be able to react as fast and efficiently as we would under normal circumstances. The allegations investigated above by this internal affairs department will also be examined by our legal resources, as we do not intend to sit idly by while our servers, community and reputation are under attack.

It’s not every day an MMO declares war on a huge segment of their own community. Then again, Eve is pretty damn hardcore.

Note that prior to this, public sentiment was pretty strongly against CCP’s handling of the matter. It’ll be interesting to see what the fallout from this is.

So. My opinions (and they are just that: opinions):

* The snapshots of dev tools looked genuine. (Although why they’d use web-based CS front ends makes me cry.) It either proves that the Goon guild in question did in fact request CS help weeks ago (the main element of their complaint was that they didn’t), or that CCP has sunk to fabricating evidence (and if you believe that, there’s nothing that will convince you otherwise). That debunks the most damning of the allegations, that a CCP dev was spying on Goonfleet for BoB.

* The volunteer canned for locking horns with BoB was briefly addressed, but not as conclusively as the above. It also wasn’t as damning. When you have volunteers, you have drama. It comes with the territory. It’s why most games that have volunteer programs have them very limited, and on a very tight leash.

* The BoB member bragging about having CCP devs on his IM list wasn’t addressed at all. Let me look at my IM list real quick… I still have about 20 DAOC players on mine from when I worked there. It’s not unusual at all, and certainly not evidence of wrongdoing. It’s a very quick way to gain feedback, from the hardcore players who know more about the game than you do. Just because I would talk to DAOC TLs and the like doesn’t mean I’d flip relics for them. Presumably CCP has online metrics to measure that sort of foolishness anyway… especially after being burned once already.

* Goons have a long and storied history of stirring things up. As a poster on somethingawful.com said,

To be quite honest I don’t really put it past the Mittani (Goonfleet leader), moral scruples are not in his job description.

(Disclaimer: I played with a Goonguild on DAOC earlier this year for a few weeks. No one seemed to have horns or flaming hooves.)

* CCP to date has done a spectacularly bad job of community management. I haven’t addressed this much publically, because it goes against my wish to never speak ill of competitors. But this could have been handled better. Much better. In particular, CCP has a habit of making posts they dislike not locked, but disappear. That makes it appear as though they have something to hide… even if they don’t. And it gives credence to those who allege that they do.

PvP games are serious business. You have the hardest of the hardest core, looking for every advantage possible. And Eve is the hardest of the hardcore PvP game out there. If you’re working on a game with a PvP component, there’s a lot to learn from all this in how to run your own game – and how not to.

And as players, about the best advice you can get came from the normally tongue-tied CM Kieron:

If you think CCP is in the wrong, we welcome constructive dialogue and criticism. If you feel we as an entity are corrupt and abhorrent, we bid you good luck in finding a game and company that suits your interests. If you agree with our assessment, we thank you for sharing our opinion and ask that you continue playing EVE in your normal manner.

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  1. #1 by Rick M on May 31st, 2007

    Gotta say, the Goonfleet open letter response today was masterful. CCP would do well to take a lot of the suggestions to heart and reverse course on their heavy-handed tactics in response to complaints.

  2. #2 by yunk on May 31st, 2007

    The thing about the volunteer getting banned is bad only if the person who did it did not follow a process that was supposed to be in place.

    It sounds to me like more than anything, CCP needs a code of conduct.

  3. #3 by Lee on May 31st, 2007

    I like how people here buy into the issue that the ISD reporter was banned over the petition, and not because BoB has (admitted) direct access to Developers. Did you see the ingame petition? Notice how fast it went to a Senior GM? Anyone with CS experience in any game knows that a petition of ‘hay guys this guy is bumping me please ban him’ doesn’t directly go to a Senior GM. The timing of his firing is also highly suspect.

    Developer contact in Eve is also not like any other game, so lets stop comparing it. DAOC, EQ, UO, do not have a single persistent universe where items cost as much as small cars. When I spend 3 months saving for a certain ship, I don’t like the feeling that I didn’t even have a chance to win in the first place.

    Everyone should also look at the fact that when BoB was “POS Bowling” it was a ‘feature’, but when their 10B investment was bowled out and destroyed, shortly after it becomes an exploit.

  4. #4 by Simond on May 31st, 2007

    “The thing about the volunteer getting banned is bad only if the person who did it did not follow a process that was supposed to be in place.”
    Point to ponder: ISD bloke (accidentally bumps a BoB dread once) gets dismissed within a day; T20 (spawns T2 BPOS for BoB, leads their cap fleet for half a year) still works for CCP.

  5. #5 by Andrew Dodd on May 31st, 2007

    Regarding BoB members having a direct pipe to developers via MSN:

    The fact that you communicated with DAoC players on MSN has no bearing on the current situations.

    Why?

    In DAoC, developer interference in the game could fall in one of the categories:
    Subtle, easily hidden, but with little impact on the game. So what if Johnny gets a nice ML10 drop from a rogue dev or GM? It kinda sucks, but to be honest that has a minimal impact on the game.
    Obvious, impossible to hide, major impact on the game. (I refer to your comment about flipping relics. If that happened it would be IMMEDIATELY obvious to the entire playerbase.)

    In DAoC, there’s no “subtle, easy to hide, but gives a group a major advantage” category. Hell, even giving a player 200 plat won’t impact the overall balance of the game in RvR much if at all.

    In EVE, on the other hand, there are plenty of such cases where a rogue developer can do massive damage to the balance of power in the game without being very detectable. See the t20 incident – those tech 2 blueprint originals were effectively licenses to print money to feed BoB’s war machine, permanently and irrevocably altering the balance of power in 0.0 on a significant scale. Since there are only 20 or so T2 BPOs of each item in the game and it’s hard to tell who exactly has them, it’s impossible for the playerbase to detect that somehow someone wound up with an extra 21st original that they shouldn’t have. CCP totally botched the t20 incident – t20 is still with the company, and while the licenses to print money were removed, the massive amounts of wealth they transferred to BoB was not dealt with.

    For this reason, scandals that would have been a non-issue in games like DAoC (due to the minimal impact a rogue developer could have) become major issues in EVE.

  6. #6 by Andrew Dodd on May 31st, 2007

    Sorry for the double post, but I saw one comment I had to reply to:

    “CCP has found its “Kobayashi_Maru,” its in a no win situation. Now can they pull a James T Kirk and beat it?”

    No, it’s not a Kobayashi Maru. It is not a no-win situation by any means, it’s easy for them to win:
    1) Stop the attempted coverups (deletion of posts rather than locking/editing)
    2) Stop trying to whitewash accusations by only addressing them partially.
    3) Don’t ever lie when denying accusations again (t20)
    4) Take a *retroactive* hardline stance on developer misconduct. (t20)

    For many players, distrust of CCP (and hence the ability of these allegations to stick and get support from the playerbase) stems from the fact that it is a known truth that at least one developer has been caught cheating and nothing was done about it. If t20’s employment had been terminated as it should have been, things would be VERY different.

  7. #7 by jerrett on May 31st, 2007

    Oddly enough, everytime i see these things flame up about EVE and cheating and all that, all I think of is … “Eve.. Damnit, I wish I had time to play that game.”

  8. #8 by Traask on May 31st, 2007

    At work and can’t read the Goon reply or anything at the main forums. Hoping the drama wont be deleted before I get home

    (Pesky filters)

  9. #9 by Traask on May 31st, 2007

    Just read the Goon Letter, I think a very valid well thought out piece of work.

    I definitely think Sanya should go work for CCP.

  10. #10 by lightpole on May 31st, 2007

    jerrett Eve is indeed an awesome game. There is a reason that Goonfleet has been able to recruit over 2000 Goons off of something awful. Unfortunately the learning curve is extremely steep and the Old Guard of Eve has always looked down on anyone that hasnt been playing since beta.

  11. #11 by Zagum on May 31st, 2007

    Here is an interesting “State of Goonation” Address. It speaks volumes about Goonies.

    http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0705/badboyzwhatcahgoingtod0.mp3

    Enjoy

  12. #12 by Slowpoke on May 31st, 2007

    Hmm; Maybe CCP wants one alliance to take all of 0.0 space and then will roll out the “next big thing” based on it. It really looks like the company has been pushing for this for a while. Hey they fix the RP why not for the story arc they want; why not the PvP as well? So BoB takes all of 0.0; The jovians invade in 3 months.

    On another note; I doubt that CCP could terminate T20’s employement without that materially impacting their business. In development you find certain engineers and developers that produce more than the rest of the team. They are hard to find and you dont let them go. At the time I guessed that he was one of these. They should make him continue to play, but require him to blog everything he does.

    All of this still stinks. The bpo’s that BoB got should have been pulled back immediatly. The apology didn’t fix that problem. That was when they lost all their credibility. They need to work fast to rebalance the game and nerf all of BoB’s strengths. They don’t seem to be able or willing to fix it any other way.

  13. #13 by Tr00jg on June 1st, 2007

    You dont understand how awesome it is to read this. This is like Heroes* Desperate Housewives.

    More CCP! More!

  14. #14 by Heartless_ on June 2nd, 2007

    Andrew Dodd, shut up. You, like many other EVE players, take the game far too seriously. “EVE is serious business and all other MMORPGs are careb34r!!1″ I am so damn sick of that statement and attitude.

    Any game that has players interacting together is effected when/if a developer interferes. Everyone that has worked to achieve their own success is cheated when someone else does not have to work for it.

    The biggest problem with EVE is not CCP. The problem is the elite players that have taken over the game and imported the claim that they “own” EVE. The only fault of CCP is letting their players take over the game by not drawing a clear line in the proverbial sand about what is and what is not acceptable. Right now it is anything goes, so developer interference and attacking CCP’s credibility are all fair game.

  15. #15 by Miraj on June 2nd, 2007

    I admit it: This story piqued my interest, and I ended up reactivating my Eve account.

  16. #16 by Purina on June 2nd, 2007

    @Slowpoke – Your justifications for CCP keeping t20 are EXACTLY why he should be fired and banned. Technical expertise cannot be cited as a justification for corruption without acknowledging the ultimate result of no end to the “ends justifies the means” razor. Genious or germ, he’s more dead weight now than any other single aspect of Eve/CCP, and his continued presence is having THIS effect on the community at large. It’s not worth it.

    @Heartless – Your post IMO represents the fascinating dichotomy between the mentality of those who *understand* the effects they experience ingame, versus the *resons* for those feelings.

    Without getting directly into the guts of human nature, let me simply say this: your assessment of a corrupt player base being responsible for the state of affairs in Eve – a publicly marketed product that we are all supposed to be paying to play – is a slap in the face of the players upon whose behalf you appear to comment. We depend on CCP to oversee its own affairs in business, and this includes policing its own internal affairs and developments.

    The controls you appear to endorse MUST be put in place by CCP, or they just don’t exist. Think of crime and police in real life: a community who does not enforce its own rules has no one but itself to blame for an increase in crime. The terrible thing about Eve is that, even when the residents go and buy a gun to protect themselves, CCP changes the rules in favor of their pet, and nerfs OUR ammo, thus devaluing our paid dues.

  17. #17 by Thor on February 13th, 2008

    Never trust a goon. Thats all I have to say.

  18. #18 by Merkwurdigliebe on February 14th, 2008

    Thread necromancy!!!

  19. #19 by =j on February 14th, 2008

    Go away, Merkwudigliebe.

  20. #20 by Merkwurdigliebe on February 14th, 2008

    I’m not the necromancer here.

  21. #21 by Dave the Unsatisfied on May 19th, 2008

    eve is a joke plain and simple.
    their latest push is to stop the sale of isk and to do that, they’ve decided to sell it themselves.

    they fail to mention that every single isk dollar is generated in teh game and sold by players to other players. in essence, they merely want that action and don’t want people to sell their isk to each other.

    the don’t speak to huge corporations who front their members millions or any of the other number of things around the matter.

    but mostly, they don’t talk about how all of it comes form inside the game which renders their point moot and pointless. Most idiotic thing ever really, I cancelled my sub within 3 weeks of having it off trial.

    most bogus mmo ever despite the cool software and great graphics. just run by a bunch of idiots that can’t be pros. too bad.

  22. #22 by Ashley on August 3rd, 2008

    After i play sometimes they delete my charecter for no reason. Why is that?

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