Eve: CCP Strikes Back

In an astoundingly detailed (with many screenshots of internal tools and emails), vehement and visceral news posting, CCP’s internal affairs posts a detailed journal of their investigation, which concluded: Goonfleet deliberately attacked Eve Online.

Since last Friday, an unnamed corporation posted over 4000 times on EVE’s message boards concerning these allegations. In addition, 1046 posts were made on Digg.com; 235 comments were added on Slashdot; and made multiple EVE-related edits on Wikipedia. Each of these sites was hit within a few hours of each other, at the start of the three-day Memorial Day weekend in the US and a three-day weekend in Iceland, all referencing unfounded allegations — now proven to be false — that occurred three weeks ago or longer.

The volume and timing of these near-simultaneous references is no coincidence: we were the target of a carefully constructed and well-timed social engineering effort by one of the largest player groups in our community. The intention? To undermine EVE Online and the credibility of CCP Games.

More specifically, the objective of this scheme was to permanently paint CCP as a biased and corrupt company that favors a select group of players over the rest of our community. In this particular case, instead of receiving notification of a possible problem and sufficient time to examine and address it, we faced a coordinated and hostile attack executed on our forums, Digg, Wikipedia, Slashdot, and other outlets at the beginning of a three-day weekend. We believe this speaks volumes of the intention of the person(s) responsible for orchestrating this scheme. Verification of this can be readily found on the forums of the people responsible—or at least could, the last time we looked.

Claims that the goal of this effort was to expose corruption within the company cannot be taken seriously. They are simply a smokescreen intended to mobilize and use the EVE community against CCP. There is no evidence to support the claim of information sent to CCP concerning internal corruption and wrongdoings on the part of our employees is being systematically suppressed.

The fact that this attack took place over a holiday weekend was especially revealing of motive, which we believe was specifically by design to ensure that CCP would not be able to react as fast and efficiently as we would under normal circumstances. The allegations investigated above by this internal affairs department will also be examined by our legal resources, as we do not intend to sit idly by while our servers, community and reputation are under attack.

It’s not every day an MMO declares war on a huge segment of their own community. Then again, Eve is pretty damn hardcore.

Note that prior to this, public sentiment was pretty strongly against CCP’s handling of the matter. It’ll be interesting to see what the fallout from this is.

So. My opinions (and they are just that: opinions):

* The snapshots of dev tools looked genuine. (Although why they’d use web-based CS front ends makes me cry.) It either proves that the Goon guild in question did in fact request CS help weeks ago (the main element of their complaint was that they didn’t), or that CCP has sunk to fabricating evidence (and if you believe that, there’s nothing that will convince you otherwise). That debunks the most damning of the allegations, that a CCP dev was spying on Goonfleet for BoB.

* The volunteer canned for locking horns with BoB was briefly addressed, but not as conclusively as the above. It also wasn’t as damning. When you have volunteers, you have drama. It comes with the territory. It’s why most games that have volunteer programs have them very limited, and on a very tight leash.

* The BoB member bragging about having CCP devs on his IM list wasn’t addressed at all. Let me look at my IM list real quick… I still have about 20 DAOC players on mine from when I worked there. It’s not unusual at all, and certainly not evidence of wrongdoing. It’s a very quick way to gain feedback, from the hardcore players who know more about the game than you do. Just because I would talk to DAOC TLs and the like doesn’t mean I’d flip relics for them. Presumably CCP has online metrics to measure that sort of foolishness anyway… especially after being burned once already.

* Goons have a long and storied history of stirring things up. As a poster on somethingawful.com said,

To be quite honest I don’t really put it past the Mittani (Goonfleet leader), moral scruples are not in his job description.

(Disclaimer: I played with a Goonguild on DAOC earlier this year for a few weeks. No one seemed to have horns or flaming hooves.)

* CCP to date has done a spectacularly bad job of community management. I haven’t addressed this much publically, because it goes against my wish to never speak ill of competitors. But this could have been handled better. Much better. In particular, CCP has a habit of making posts they dislike not locked, but disappear. That makes it appear as though they have something to hide… even if they don’t. And it gives credence to those who allege that they do.

PvP games are serious business. You have the hardest of the hardest core, looking for every advantage possible. And Eve is the hardest of the hardcore PvP game out there. If you’re working on a game with a PvP component, there’s a lot to learn from all this in how to run your own game – and how not to.

And as players, about the best advice you can get came from the normally tongue-tied CM Kieron:

If you think CCP is in the wrong, we welcome constructive dialogue and criticism. If you feel we as an entity are corrupt and abhorrent, we bid you good luck in finding a game and company that suits your interests. If you agree with our assessment, we thank you for sharing our opinion and ask that you continue playing EVE in your normal manner.

  • mystery

    Little Bunny Foo-Foo, I told you what would happen.

    *poof*

    Now you’re a GOON!

  • http://www.damnedvulpine.com J.

    told u i was hardcore

    I hope for their sake that they’re right. However, I’m not sure they have the political capital to spend on a war, and I’m damned sure most of the interested parties isn’t going to read all of that.

  • Fmaricus

    I noticed they didn’t touch the fact that some people in certain alliances have MSN access to devs/GMs.

    That is what I think has the community riled up the most right now.

  • scottj

    @3, in the scheme of things that’s pretty low. When working on DAOC I had about 40 hardcore players on my IM list, mostly because they knew more about the game than I did.

  • Mike Lescault

    Maybe this is a Boston thing, but ever be waiting to pull into traffic, catch someone who isn’t paying attention and pull in front of them, only to have them belatedly blare their horn in frustration? It’s not because you cut them off and almost caused an accident. It’s because you happened to get the best of them and now they’re really pissed about it.

  • http://www.flagonwiththedragon.com Streamweaver

    I’m not sure I buy it. CCP has something to prove after their poor handling of the previous incident. What would the motivation be for an entire corp to undermine the game? I don’t put it past people but it’s a bit of an extraordinary claim since players ruining a game they are playing is counter-productive.

    Also I recall CCPs attack on the person who exposed the previous incident and I just need more than a drama ridden post to buy their story.

  • Taerkar

    This is pretty typical CCP behavior, they’re focusing on one specific aspect (Darkstar One (DS1) having a Dev character enter into the corp, give himself director access, and then leave shortly afterwards). Supposively this was to fix a problem with something, but the director of the corp wanted an explanation and never got any. Since none was given, it allowed allegations to fly.

    However, they’re completely ignoring the others because they look bad. VERY bad.

    In one, an ISD individual (Eve’s NPC news group) was spectating a battle between Band of Brothers (BoB) + Allies and Goonfleet/Red Alliance + Allies. One of the pilots for BoB accused him of bumping a dreadnaught and ordered him to leave. The ISD player ignored this and remained there to watch the battle, as his position entitled him to.

    Three hours later, the ISD player’s account was banned from anything CCP related (Including a Counterstrike server)

    During the ‘Threadnaught’ a BoB player admitted that they had MSN contacts with members of CCP and thus could contact them directly instead of using in-game petitions like everyone else. This was also reportedly how the ISD guy got canned.

    Other items were further confirmation that various RP events were rigged, not only resulting in certain groups getting items before others even had a chance to respond, but also having supposively ‘open-ended’ events be pre-determined from the get-go.

  • TPRJones

    Current bottom line: Goonfleet might do something like this, not necessarily to be malicious as much as to stir shit for the simple fun of stirring shit; that’s part of their charm, those lovably unpredictable bastards. On the other hand, though, there is no reason to believe CCP without some solid proof, as they’ve lost most of their credibility.

    Goonfleet: 0
    CCP: 0

    We have a tie.

  • chabuhi

    I tend to agree with Streamweaver, if only because it seems like CCP is waving their own “smokescreen” and saying nothing about the allegations that prompted this supposed attack by malintentioned player corp.

  • scottj

    What proof would suffice? They posted screenshots of their internal tools showing that the GM’s entering the corp was due to a CS petition (despite what Goonfleet alleged). Not really sure what else you could ask for; if you think they mocked that up as part of a “big lie”, then no proof at all would do, really.

    As for the in-game event being rigged and the volunteer being booted for wacky reasons, they didn’t post as much outright proof for that, but not sure there’s any way to. And as I said before, developers having IM contact with community leaders isn’t unusual, or necessarily nefarious. I talked to people in DAOC all the time, but that doesn’t mean I’d flip relics for them.

  • Taerkar

    scottj, the thing is that in the past, BoB did receive stuff from some Devs and GMs, such as Tech 2 BPOs which, at the time, were practically licenses to print money. There’s also been suspicious stuff about exploits that weren’t, or didn’t become known until BoB used them, at which point they became ‘features’ (Apparently shields only stop gunfire if you give it a password)

  • Rand ‘al Thor

    “And as I said before, developers having IM contact with community leaders isn’t unusual, or necessarily nefarious. I talked to people in DAOC all the time, but that doesn’t mean I’d flip relics for them.”

    I don’t think the issue people are latching on to is that “ZOMG the devs talk to players on MSN”. It’s the fact that those channels were apparently used to ban another player for a questionable reason, and without any sort of discovery period.

  • Pentagony

    From my point of view, it’s hard to see what ELSE CCP could do to fix this situation. It’s discussed the corp joining action, the ISD firing, and the event rigging accusation.

    After reading the forums, you could tell that many anti-CCP posts were made by alt characters. Coming at a time when certain alliances are losing territory, I find this a little too coincidental.

  • scottj

    Post updated with actual opinions!

  • Ordog163

    CCP has credibility?

  • Freakazoid

    Yeah, skipping over BoB having a direct line to devs and using it to fire the ISD guy is probably the only thing they need to cover up, as everything else is just refutable enough to be believable.

    Just because he had a history of problems, doesn’t mean his last action actually happened. It’s especially bad, because proper procedure was not followed. You don’t call a dev to get him fired, you send another petition and let the GMs investigate first. Holding his past against him as an excuse not to investigate his last action is just pure lazy and unprofessional.

  • Moller

    For what it’s worth, none of the members of the corporation that CCP Sharkbait joined to handle the petition are aware of that petition. I haven’t heard from the CEO of the corp since the official CCP response has been posted, but to the best knowledge of both directors of the corp, there was only one petition filed by the corp, and it was filed back in February/March. It was about Blueprints, but the timelines don’t match.

    Also, the petition by the CEO of the corp asking for an explanation as to why CCP Sharkbait had joined and left the corporation was deleted/closed/vanished.

    Also, Goonswarm tried all normal methods of contact with CCP first, petitions, emails, and calm, rational postings on the official forums. The petitions vanished, the posts were deleted, and the emails were ignored.

    If you’re standing on my foot and don’t move when I tap you on the shoulder repeatedly, you really shouldn’t get upset when I have to yell in your ear to get you to move off of my foot.

  • DeathsHead

    yeah, CCP has been their own worst enemy in this affair, but the Goons are no better. I get that they felt they were being ignored, but that’s probably because their accusations were unfounded and based on hearsay. they refuse to believe whatever the developers say (granted they took a hit to credibility before, but not one that is irrevocable – or why are we all still playing?), so why should we just take them at their word? oh, we never filed a petition. boom, there it is. Oh, THAT one…oh, our petition was deleted…really? how are we to know? your good word? okay, we’ll believe you. oh, wait – nothing bad was done anyway. so much for that.

    the ISD guy basically waved a flag in local asking to get shitcanned, either his conduct or his words would have sufficed as evidence, and you think there was no ‘discovery’ period? if I walk into work and take a shit on my boss’s desk, I think I’d be awfully lucky to last five minutes. I cannot believe this is the lone pillar holding up this entire mess of accusations – it’s pathetic.

  • Brinstead

    Scott said:
    “What proof would suffice? They posted screenshots of their internal tools showing that the GM’s entering the corp was due to a CS petition (despite what Goonfleet alleged). Not really sure what else you could ask for; if you think they mocked that up as part of a “big lie”, then no proof at all would do, really.

    As for the in-game event being rigged and the volunteer being booted for wacky reasons, they didn’t post as much outright proof for that, but not sure there’s any way to. And as I said before, developers having IM contact with community leaders isn’t unusual, or necessarily nefarious. I talked to people in DAOC all the time, but that doesn’t mean I’d flip relics for them.”

    The CEO of the corp in question (DS1) did petition asking about the action. That petition was removed without being answered. Now we’re seeing proof – and I believe what they’ve posted, because god only knows if I was going to fake stuff I’d make it look like I had better tools to use.

    CCP desperately needs Sanya. They need PR help, badly. The T20 scandal and all the other allegations could have been handled so much better it’s not even funny – even if you’re actually going to do it, you don’t tell your customers that you’re suing them until the day the papers are served.

    CCP encourages asshattery in-game – it’s really a broken system, as there’s no way to actually punish someone who scams you, or steals everything you own, etc – I’m rather shocked that CCP doesn’t understand the type of player that they attract. Sadly, I’m one of them, full on in the grasp of the sunk-cost fallacy..

    I had a bunch more stuff to say, but it’s midnight and I need to get to bed. Probably will post it tomorrow..

  • Fmaricus

    If they are thinking of bringing legal action against goonswarm, why don’t they just ban all goonswarm players & get it over with?

  • Freakazoid

    http://games.slashdot.org/games/07/05/30/0412241.shtml

    Did we really need lum to tell us it was Goonfleet? How do you NOT know it was them? :|

  • perianwyr

    one thing is for sure, it’s never been a better day to be a Goon.

  • http://blessingofkings.blogspot.com GSH

    As someone who doesn’t play Eve, but does watch the news about it, this development doesn’t seem that surprising.

    After all, Eve is famous for social engineering, players infiltrating other corporations and stealing their secrets and money. This is nothing more than a stepping-up of that style. A social engineering attack against the developers, not other players.

    You reap what you sow, after all.

  • Mist

    Sure it has. They’ve had a lot better days, actually. The whole reason Goonswarm did this was because they’re on the losing side of the biggest war in MMO history.

  • http://WWW.GOONSWARMCHEAT.COM DEATH TO GOONS

    FUCKING GOONS ARE SCUM TBQH AND I CANT WAIT TILL THEY GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY GAME

    I HOPE CCP BANS AND GREIFS THEM OUT OF THE GAME WITH ‘NPC’ ATTACKS AND THEN SUES THE FAT BASTARED THAT STARTED IT ALL

  • Aufero

    I’m starting to view PvP drama as performance art. This is a masterpiece.

  • Pentagony
  • lightpole

    When you were at DAOC how many people did you have on your IM list because they were your friends and had played with you since beta?

  • http://www.furious-angels.com hinch

    Players having direct access to devs is no surprise especially if your guild is one of the “best of the best” in that particular game.

    Over the course of the 6 mmo’s I and my community have played I have most of the senior devs and design leads for each of those games on msn and also direct telephone numbers in the case of some.

    Overreaction through superb social engineering to convince the masses that the minority are in the wrong.

  • Arthur_Parker

    I’m surprised at you Scott for not fully understanding how this went down.

    This is what happened.

    The CEO of a non-goonfleet corp darkstar1 (they joined goonswarm the alliance a few weeks ago) makes a post on the goonfleet forums showing that a GM/Dev joined their corp and gave himself director access.

    Everybody thinks, woah spy, due to past history with CCP and that fact that darkstar1 have a lot of capital ships and a director can see where their capital ship yards are. The CEO also states he has raised a petition and that was deleted, (this is important).

    On the same day kugutsumen releases information on the rigged RP events and the msn firing of the reporter.

    Goonfleet forums start to plan what to do, a SMASH member (not part of goonswarm) posts on the offical EVE online forums twice about the RP events and the firing of the reporter by msn.

    His threads are snipped. Goonswarm is unleashed onto the offical forums to bring the 3 allegations to light.

    CCP respond to the first allegation about darkstar1 and say someone logged a petition about a pos, darkstar1 tell goonfleet that that can’t be true they only had 2 pos’s at the time and neither had modules fitted. That’s new to goonswarm membership turns out they didn’t have capital yards.

    It later turns out the two directors of darkstar1 are a bit foggy on details, maybe their petition asking why the dev was in the corp didn’t get deleted, maybe it was raised on a different account. Doesn’t matter because they are afraid of getting their accounts banned making a fuss.

    The 2nd in command of BoB posts that he speaks to devs on msn all the time.

    To be fair Scott, it doesn’t matter how many normal players you had contact with in DAoC, the situation is not the same. Eve is all one server and I’m sure if a dev at Mythic had previously been flipping relics for one guild on one server in DAoC you wouldn’t have been so keen about keeping players from that guild on your contact list.

    CCP could have defused this on the day it arose by being clear on the darkstar1 situation, they concluded their investigation without even contacting anyone in darkstar1. They could have a policy on msn communication with members of BoB, they choose not even to address that. The RP events are rigged, not that anyone cares that much about that.

    So in summary two of the three allegations appear to be true, one probably isn’t true and CCP now chose to threaten legal action on goonswarm.

  • http://cnn.com ubvman

    Never threaten a lawsuit unless you fully intend to follow through with it – to the very end. Frankly, I have a hard time picturing the CCP lawyer explaining such an asshat game and their side of it to a trial judge (in Iceland? Finland? where is the trial going to be?)

    Come to think of it, just how are you going to write up such a legal document without being laughed out of the court in 5 minutes? Its laughable even to people who understand MMOGs/communities and stuff, let alone stuff legal types.

    Bad management all around.

  • http://cnn.com ubvman

    add: Just what are the legal standards of screenshots as “evidence”? I would say practically none as you can just about doctor and manipulate every single aspect of it (especially if CCP has access to all the servers etc.)

    Even in you do get by the first 5 minutes of court time, who wins in a legal mud-bath? If CCP can use half truths, allegations and “sins of omissions”, so can “the other side”. By the end of it, their credibility to gamers would be ‘finito’…

  • Simond

    *CCP press release strikes themselves in the foot, perfectly wrecking for 1337 damage*

    “It wasn’t us, it was the evil Goons! Come on, you can trust us…we haven’t been caught lying to you about internal corruption for almost a couple of months now!”

    Funny how they don’t mention the self-admitted CCP hotline BoB has.

  • PopeRatzo

    Aufero,
    No, this is not a masterpiece. It’s really not that hard to p*ss in the swimming pool if you really want to spoil other people’s fun. Goonswarm is generally scum. The fact that some people do it more when they are anonymous and online does not speak well of them as people. Calling it a “work of art” is intellectual and moral dishonesty.

    Metagaming is for punks. Growing up in Chicago’s Little Italy neighborhood, I remember a guy trying to “metagame” while shooting craps. He got all the fingers on his shooting hand broken and an eye put out. Now that’s “hard core gaming”.

  • Ironwood

    “While it’s somewhat understandable that the participation of CCP staff in EVE is being questioned once again, our answer must once more be that our involvement is vital to the development of EVE. Barring CCP employees from the game would effectively stop EVE in its tracks. EVE is such a complex application that it is impossible to understand it without participating, playing on the test server is not the full EVE experience, nor is it possible to replicate issues involving our server structure or large amounts of players using it. ”

    It’s this bit I am bewildered by. It just strikes me as totally wrong…

  • Simond

    Ironwood, read it as: “We’re not going to stop helping our corp-mates in BoB” and it makes more sense.

    PopeRatzo: Metagaming is an acknowledged, even encouraged, part of EVE. That is one of the problems.

  • Viz

    As a WoW player I’m not convinced that 4000 posts constitutes a conspiracy.

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  • Calenth

    THis entire thing boils down to shitty customer service on CCP’s part. If they’d answered DS1′s “hay why this happen” petitions instead of deleting them, there wouldn’t have been a thread. If they’d answered the thread, there wouldn’t have been a spam attack. etc.

    Anyone who seriously thinks “OMG GOONFLEET CONSPIRACY TO DESTROY CCP” isn’t thinking — there’s no logical reason at all for goonfleet to attack CCP. THe only way that makes sense is if BoB and CCP are essentially the same entity.

  • DMX

    First off, let me say I’m not speaking for the corp (or guild I suppose).

    But there was no ill intention here. People are just pissed off at the constant stream of really really shady nonsense that happens here.

    I love EVE. I really do. And I also want the best for CCP. But its at the point where many of us just cant play anymore, because the dice are so heavily loaded against us.

    Its a frigging shame CCP have accused us of ill intent here. EVE in my opinion is dying, and it cuts hard to of blown a couple of years into my character only to see what looks like a sunset to the great 0.0 adventure. Within a few months , a single alliance will control all of 0.0 space. BOB. Its also the team thats consistantly been shown to have been the recipient of CCP favors.

    The way the game has recently been restructured, once that monopoly is complete, it wont be possible anymore to dislodge them. Conquest will be over, and thus so will EVE politics. The only reason to play the game. Capital ships alone can remove an alliances hold on 0.0, and those capital ships can only be made or used in 0.0. With no capital ships, 0.0 is irrevokably lost. It cuts that CCP seem to of done this on purpose. We had such high hope for the game as a long term entity.

    Im sorry, but there are tens of thousands of players who have all bore witness to this nonsense.

    My prediction is CCP goes belly up within a year.

    It was fun whilst it lasted.

  • Simond

    On the funny side, one day n the future CCP is going to look around and suddenly realise what they’ve done to themselves.

    Probably not long after large chunks of BoB go “There’s nobody left to fight. This is boring. I quit”

  • Big Gulp

    It comes down to who I trust more, CCP or the degenerates over at SomethingAwful.

    I’ll go with the Goons every goddamn time, because CCP has already proven themselves to be unscrupulous shitbags.

  • Mercilius

    I, for one, welcome our new BoB overlords.

  • Alexander B.

    The sky is falling….

    Its fun in mmo’s when some of the players for some reason feel wronged, or woke up on a bad day, and drama ensues… then it just grows from there. :-)

    I would have thought the goons were better than this, but at least they show organization :)

  • Sebastian

    The reason the Goons might have to pull this out, to all of you who say “they are part of the game, why would they want to bring it down?” is, that in FACT, they are NOT part of the game!

    They are an elitist part of the SA.com forums. They have no identification with the game whatsoever, they have not even tried to merge with the EVE community. Proof is that they do not allow any members that have not been part of the SA.com forums for quite some time in.

    What sort of allegiance can they have to EVE? They got into EVE’s biggest war, have been metagaming ever since and as they are on the losing side they have recurred to blatant lies even against the company that holds the game! With the idea that if they sink, EVE will sink with them.

    Do you think that posting 4000 threads on a forum that displays around 30 threads per page is not spam? Do you think i would not be threatened with legal action if i posted 4000 replies to EVERY single thread in this site, for spamming? Do you believe my posts won’t be deleted by the webmaster? C’mon, if I pulled that out right now you would want to kick the crap out of me!

    I do not believe CCP has “fabricated” evidence at all. That would put them even lower than those guys from the Dark & Light MMORPG. Do you honestly think they would do it?

    And about RP being rigged, of course the course of the storyline is rigged! You can take 2 approaches when DMing, having everything scripted or reacting to random events the players might bring about. On a massive game like EVE, just reacting to the players won’t cut it.
    They also have a backstory to cover and if something does not go their way, they will not let it go out of hands just because.

    Guys, get real. The goons are crap, they must not be allowed to take the game down with them.

  • Simond

    You’re trying to argue against ranting about Dev/GM corruption…on Lum’s own blog?

    Interesting.

  • calenth

    “They are an elitist part of the SA.com forums. They have no identification with the game whatsoever, they have not even tried to merge with the EVE community. Proof is that they do not allow any members that have not been part of the SA.com forums for quite some time in”

    Just to reply to this, DS1 (the goonswarm sub-corp that wanted to know why sharkbait was in their corp) isn’t an SA-related corp at all. They’re ex-ASCN I think and were recruited to the swarm entirely in-game.

  • Sebastian

    That’s a full corp, not random players into GOONs corps. The SA.com corps remain untouched. It’s not the same.

  • slog

    I’m having Shadowbane Flashbacks to the WAR server at go live.

    The DHL Alliance took over the entire server and just about killed it. Eventually the alliance split up, but the server was mortally wounded. Looks like the same thing will happen here.

  • Aufero

    It’s really not that hard to p*ss in the swimming pool if you really want to spoil other people’s fun.

    How often do you manage to get the company PR department to help you piss in the swimming pool?