Comments on: Eve Blows Up. Again. http://brokentoys.org/2007/05/25/eve-blows-up-again/ Random Comments About Games and Tractors Fri, 19 Mar 2010 15:34:45 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: I Have the Vapours! at MMOG Nation http://brokentoys.org/2007/05/25/eve-blows-up-again/comment-page-1/#comment-8239 I Have the Vapours! at MMOG Nation Wed, 30 May 2007 04:37:35 +0000 http://sjennings.wordpress.com/2007/05/25/eve-blows-up-again/#comment-8239 [...] Friday I saw Scott Jennings’ note about the latest EVE Online Kurfuffle. I know we have a lot of EVE players on Slashdot, so I pulled [...] [...] Friday I saw Scott Jennings’ note about the latest EVE Online Kurfuffle. I know we have a lot of EVE players on Slashdot, so I pulled [...]

]]> By: Fmaricus http://brokentoys.org/2007/05/25/eve-blows-up-again/comment-page-1/#comment-8210 Fmaricus Wed, 30 May 2007 02:18:02 +0000 http://sjennings.wordpress.com/2007/05/25/eve-blows-up-again/#comment-8210 CCP has responded. All allegations are false & furthermore the people that brought it up did it to hurt CCP/Eve. http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=472 I noticed they didn't touch the fact that some people in certain alliances have MSN access to devs/GMs. That is what I think has the community riled up the most right now. CCP has responded.
All allegations are false & furthermore the people that brought it up did it to hurt CCP/Eve.

http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=472

I noticed they didn’t touch the fact that some people in certain alliances have MSN access to devs/GMs.

That is what I think has the community riled up the most right now.

]]> By: tazelbain http://brokentoys.org/2007/05/25/eve-blows-up-again/comment-page-1/#comment-8209 tazelbain Tue, 29 May 2007 16:24:32 +0000 http://sjennings.wordpress.com/2007/05/25/eve-blows-up-again/#comment-8209 >We urge people to wait until the facts are out, That's crap. CCP never releases the facts. We still don't know the facts from the T20 incident. >We urge people to wait until the facts are out,

That’s crap. CCP never releases the facts. We still don’t know the facts from the T20 incident.

]]> By: Anon http://brokentoys.org/2007/05/25/eve-blows-up-again/comment-page-1/#comment-8212 Anon Tue, 29 May 2007 10:13:08 +0000 http://sjennings.wordpress.com/2007/05/25/eve-blows-up-again/#comment-8212 GoonSwarm is leaking. GoonSwarm is leaking.

]]> By: ubvman http://brokentoys.org/2007/05/25/eve-blows-up-again/comment-page-1/#comment-8211 ubvman Tue, 29 May 2007 07:56:30 +0000 http://sjennings.wordpress.com/2007/05/25/eve-blows-up-again/#comment-8211 A lot of people underestimate the impact of this sort of things. Sure, a lot of the Eve opium addicts aren't quitting en-masse over this, but what it does, is that it shallows out the loyalty base bit-by-bit making it far more vulnerable to "the next big thing" than it should be. Case in point, EQ1 lost 50-60% (500k to less than 200K now) when WoW-the-REAL-next-big-thing came out. 50% to 60% loss of paying customers is a crazy huge loss to ANY BUSINESS no matter how you slice it. I'd say EQ1 would have kept more than 90% or more (WOW isn't all that great or revolutionary a game) if not for years of community mismanagement and abuse from the likes of Abashi, Absor etc. and the Devs (all the nerfs, crazed unprofessional shit like this). Players can stand a lot of stuff, but if there is no loyalty to the game/brand - its 'adios!' when a better game (that comes near enough) is out. CCP is digging its own grave soon enough. A lot of people underestimate the impact of this sort of things. Sure, a lot of the Eve opium addicts aren’t quitting en-masse over this, but what it does, is that it shallows out the loyalty base bit-by-bit making it far more vulnerable to “the next big thing” than it should be. Case in point, EQ1 lost 50-60% (500k to less than 200K now) when WoW-the-REAL-next-big-thing came out. 50% to 60% loss of paying customers is a crazy huge loss to ANY BUSINESS no matter how you slice it.

I’d say EQ1 would have kept more than 90% or more (WOW isn’t all that great or revolutionary a game) if not for years of community mismanagement and abuse from the likes of Abashi, Absor etc. and the Devs (all the nerfs, crazed unprofessional shit like this). Players can stand a lot of stuff, but if there is no loyalty to the game/brand – its ‘adios!’ when a better game (that comes near enough) is out. CCP is digging its own grave soon enough.

]]> By: Apache http://brokentoys.org/2007/05/25/eve-blows-up-again/comment-page-1/#comment-8238 Apache Tue, 29 May 2007 00:46:04 +0000 http://sjennings.wordpress.com/2007/05/25/eve-blows-up-again/#comment-8238 I think its awesome they love and play the game they made, but seriously, stop cheating. :p I think its awesome they love and play the game they made, but seriously, stop cheating. :p

]]> By: Simond http://brokentoys.org/2007/05/25/eve-blows-up-again/comment-page-1/#comment-8237 Simond Mon, 28 May 2007 20:44:02 +0000 http://sjennings.wordpress.com/2007/05/25/eve-blows-up-again/#comment-8237 "I see no real evidence of wrongdoing here, just some Kugutsumen tinfoil crap." Quiet, Whitecloak. Your history with Goons doesn't exactly paint you as an unbiased opinion. “I see no real evidence of wrongdoing here, just some Kugutsumen tinfoil crap.”
Quiet, Whitecloak. Your history with Goons doesn’t exactly paint you as an unbiased opinion.

]]> By: Freakazoid http://brokentoys.org/2007/05/25/eve-blows-up-again/comment-page-1/#comment-8236 Freakazoid Mon, 28 May 2007 15:00:22 +0000 http://sjennings.wordpress.com/2007/05/25/eve-blows-up-again/#comment-8236 I don't like the explanation for sharkbait's actions. They should know they don't have the customer's complete trust anymore. They NEED to drop the "company policy" bullshit and show everyone what the petition said and who sent it. Even Blizzard dropped company policy when they were caught red-handed transferring characters outside their own rules, so they could regain customer trust. Rigging RP events is trickier. On one hand, CCP didn't deny the document existed, which gives the former ISD guy credit. However, they can say (and they have) it was a living document anyway, because they can change its official status to unofficial and no one would be the wiser. That doesn't mean it wasn't unofficial, but there's no way to know, especially now that they have thrown it away. The last thing they aren't talking about yet is the former ISD member being fired under crazy circumstances. If he is to be believed (which I do), he didn't bump shit and the dread pilot freaked the fuck out. If he did bump it, then maybe he had it coming. Two things are for sure. The first is, his banning was not followed under normal procedure. If everyone had stuck to protocol, things probably would've been different, and even if he did end up still banned, it would've been seen less as BoB abusing game rules and more of a legit incident. The second, and by far the most legit issue, is that BoB can personally contact developers to do their bidding. It really shouldn't be a suprise, not after t20 getting caught favoring BoB with blueprints and didn't get fired for it. Why devs are still allowed to do shit like this is unfathomable to me. I don’t like the explanation for sharkbait’s actions. They should know they don’t have the customer’s complete trust anymore. They NEED to drop the “company policy” bullshit and show everyone what the petition said and who sent it. Even Blizzard dropped company policy when they were caught red-handed transferring characters outside their own rules, so they could regain customer trust.

Rigging RP events is trickier. On one hand, CCP didn’t deny the document existed, which gives the former ISD guy credit. However, they can say (and they have) it was a living document anyway, because they can change its official status to unofficial and no one would be the wiser. That doesn’t mean it wasn’t unofficial, but there’s no way to know, especially now that they have thrown it away.

The last thing they aren’t talking about yet is the former ISD member being fired under crazy circumstances. If he is to be believed (which I do), he didn’t bump shit and the dread pilot freaked the fuck out. If he did bump it, then maybe he had it coming.

Two things are for sure. The first is, his banning was not followed under normal procedure. If everyone had stuck to protocol, things probably would’ve been different, and even if he did end up still banned, it would’ve been seen less as BoB abusing game rules and more of a legit incident.

The second, and by far the most legit issue, is that BoB can personally contact developers to do their bidding. It really shouldn’t be a suprise, not after t20 getting caught favoring BoB with blueprints and didn’t get fired for it. Why devs are still allowed to do shit like this is unfathomable to me.

]]> By: Pentagony http://brokentoys.org/2007/05/25/eve-blows-up-again/comment-page-1/#comment-8235 Pentagony Mon, 28 May 2007 02:50:54 +0000 http://sjennings.wordpress.com/2007/05/25/eve-blows-up-again/#comment-8235 From the current news that the devs have recently posted in player news, I'm not sure if any of the corruption allegations have anything to stand on. According to the devs, either the actions were legitimate GMing acts, or, in the case of event-rigging, were resolved already. What I *have* noticed is: 1) Player trust is hard to earn back once it's been taken away (in the T20 incident). 2) Once trust is lost, the players are quick to hop on anything that even remotely looks like a scandal. If CCP had adhered to a more strict policy regarding staff/player interaction, perhaps scandals/threadnoughts like this would be more avoidable. From the current news that the devs have recently posted in player news, I’m not sure if any of the corruption allegations have anything to stand on. According to the devs, either the actions were legitimate GMing acts, or, in the case of event-rigging, were resolved already. What I *have* noticed is:
1) Player trust is hard to earn back once it’s been taken away (in the T20 incident).
2) Once trust is lost, the players are quick to hop on anything that even remotely looks like a scandal.

If CCP had adhered to a more strict policy regarding staff/player interaction, perhaps scandals/threadnoughts like this would be more avoidable.

]]> By: Armois Delgato http://brokentoys.org/2007/05/25/eve-blows-up-again/comment-page-1/#comment-8234 Armois Delgato Mon, 28 May 2007 02:18:11 +0000 http://sjennings.wordpress.com/2007/05/25/eve-blows-up-again/#comment-8234 I see no real evidence of wrongdoing here, just some Kugutsumen tinfoil crap. I see no real evidence of wrongdoing here, just some Kugutsumen tinfoil crap.

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