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eBay: Some RMT Is More Equal Than Other RMT
CNet has word that, yes, eBay has banned all RMT auctions… except… wait for it….
Durzy told CNET News.com that the auction giant has decided to specifically exempt Linden Lab’s Second Life from the list of virtual worlds and online games whose auctions it will ban.
“If someone participates in Second Life and wants to sell something they own, we are not at this point proactively pulling those listings off the site,” Durzy said. “We think there is an open question about whether Second Life should be regarded as a game.”
games.slashdot has a raging comment thread already: some are saying it’s due to SL’s extremely liberal granting of ownership of avatar assets to their players. Others, such as Wagner James Au on Gigagamez, call shenanigans – isn’t the founder of eBay on Linden Labs’ board?
So for now, at least, on eBay, RMT for SL content and L$ is A-OK. And this is where things get interesting, because in 2004, eBay founder Pierre Omidyar became a major investor in Linden Lab. Did Omidyar have anything to do with this decision to let Second Life-based RMT slide?
“While Pierre is Chairman of the Board,” Durzy acknowledges, “he does not play a day-to-day role in the ongoing management of the eBay marketplace. This decision was made by our policy team.”
Of course, Ultima Online also explicitly allows RMT, and Ultima Online actions are being actively removed. Guess someone at EA Mythic fell behind on their investment portfolio.
As always, Ted Castronova is there with the punch line:
Castronova said another sign the RMT market has been deemed too risky is that IGE, which does millions and millions of dollars in annual business brokering virtual goods sales, has not been purchased.
“In the long run, blue-chip companies are always going to see this as a rogue market with no future,” he said.
This is significant, and illustrative. IGE’s investment efforts have always been to legitimize their business, whether through funding magazine advertisments, hiring public relations firms both overt and covert, sponsoring tradeshows, buying out community websites, or, most recently, setting up industry trade groups.
It didn’t work.
And as almost everyone involved notes, while IGE and its less adept at English-speaking brethren may see a brief pickup, what will eventually happen is that the gaming companies themselves will step in to pick up the slack. We’re seeing this already in Western games such as Ultima Online and Guild Wars, and SOE has also already announced a future “big project” that will fund itself solely by micropayments. Other companies may follow the lead of Linden Labs and (indirectly, through selling subscription cards for in-game currency) CCP and simply make their currency convertible.
In any event, we live in interesting times.
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about 3 years ago
I wouldn’t say I “called shenanigans”– I just asked the eBay rep if Omidyar had anything to do with the decision. Linden Lab’s decision to allow users to retain IP rights preceded Omidyar’s investment in LL, so I suppose Omidyar could argue that the reason he invested is *because* that policy allowed RMT on places like, oh, I dunno, eBay.
about 3 years ago
It’ll be interesting to see how that plays with certain people here. I’d be surprised if it stands for that long. It’s certainly discrimination which takes Ebay into clearly being an auction house rather than a broker. (Something they’ve barely skirted before)
And becasuse IGE has used venture capital rather than get bought out so far, they’re dodgy? Well, nice to know Mythic was a fly-by-night outfit when you were working for them, Lum.
Ebay’s move is a great step foward for IGE, make no mistake about it. And they are the enemy of games companies, far far more than individuals using Ebay ever were.
As a note, you can cash into Eve, but you can’t cash OUT. Which is kinda important.
about 3 years ago
I’d love to see some actual numbers regarding how many auction eBay is no longer allowing, vs. how many additional auctions IGE is listing.
about 3 years ago
Cashing out in eve is easy, you buy time cards with your isk on the eve forums and sell them on ebay for cash. Perfectly legitimate.
about 3 years ago
This is just too much damn drama. My head hurts from trying to put a spin on it.
about 3 years ago
I will answer that for 23,100,000 bells.
These will do.
about 3 years ago
And becasuse IGE has used venture capital rather than get bought out so far, they’re dodgy? Well, nice to know Mythic was a fly-by-night outfit when you were working for them, Lum.
I see you’re still arguing the case for RMT based on what you wish people had said instead of what they actually said.
about 3 years ago
[eBay founder Pierre Omidyar] does not play a day-to-day role in the ongoing management of the eBay marketplace.
And thank the gods for that. Back in the early days of eBay I got tired of auction snipers on dutch auctions, so I wrote the customer service address. (Yeah, I know, it’s worse these days and I don’t buy crap on eBay much anymore.) Anyway, I got a scathing letter back from Mr. Omidyar that basically told me, “Suck it up.” Once again proving that customer service truly is low on the list of requirement to be successful, even outside of the MMO genre.
A little tangent.
about 3 years ago
Aufero, no, I’m not. That you can’t understand the concept of demonstrating a logical fallicy (given, y’know, Mythic used venture capital) is your issue.
about 3 years ago
I just sold a WoW account yesterday on eBay … $300+ for 2 level 60 with tier 1. The auction was for 24 hours, it ended, I got the cash in my paypal account, and the next morning I received an email from eBay saying that they cancelled the auction and returned any fees that I was charged.
Needless to say, the WoW account info has already been forwarded to its new player and the money is on its way to my checking account.