Comments on: V for subVersive http://brokentoys.org/2006/03/19/v-for-subversive/ Random Comments About Games and Tractors Thu, 11 Mar 2010 05:31:28 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Peter http://brokentoys.org/2006/03/19/v-for-subversive/comment-page-1/#comment-1389 Peter Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:54:46 +0000 http://brokentoys.org/2006/03/19/v-for-subversive/#comment-1389 I have not read the comic, but did see the movie.<br> I found the movie fairly entertaining and though somewhat dark and sometimes slow in its exposition, it generally was a good movie.<br> As far as "awakening the sleeping public" is concerned, I doubt anyone outside Westminster will make that realisation.<br> Portman, could have been tortured a bit more, it certainly would have been a bit more convincing.<br> The transition between her previous state of indifference to the state and to the full fledged rebel was weak. (see Winstons conversion in 1984, using rats and room 101), very effective and believable.<br> I liked the shaven head though, very sexy. I have not read the comic, but did see the movie.
I found the movie fairly entertaining and though somewhat dark and sometimes slow in its exposition, it generally was a good movie.
As far as “awakening the sleeping public” is concerned, I doubt anyone outside Westminster will make that realisation.
Portman, could have been tortured a bit more, it certainly would have been a bit more convincing.
The transition between her previous state of indifference to the state and to the full fledged rebel was weak. (see Winstons conversion in 1984, using rats and room 101), very effective and believable.
I liked the shaven head though, very sexy.

]]> By: Richard http://brokentoys.org/2006/03/19/v-for-subversive/comment-page-1/#comment-1388 Richard Mon, 10 Apr 2006 16:31:25 +0000 http://brokentoys.org/2006/03/19/v-for-subversive/#comment-1388 I feel quite strongly that the real message that should be gleaned from V for Vendetta has nothing whatever to do with which political party is currently in power, or that Thatcher was horrible. Let's look a little deeper please. The message is about THOSE WHO SEEK POWER FOR POWER'S SAKE, and the lengths they will go to in order to attain and keep it. Do you think Jack-booted thugs only march under the banners of Conservatives and Republicans? Have we forgotten that the NAZI party was the National SOCIALIST Party? Have we forgotten what happened at Waco Texas under that paragon of modern statist liberalism, Bill Clinton (oh that's right those Waco people were RIGHT-wing radicals, which makes slaughtering them OK)? WAKE UP!!! This is not about political parties. It is about POWER and LIBERTY. Democrats and Republicans are the same. They both play the game. The only thing different between them is what they say, which is aimed at keeping the people divided while they entertain one another at expensive dinner parties.<br> As long as we continue to see these movies in terms of what party it is attacking, we will continue to miss the opportunity that a movie like this affords us. The equation is not Republican Conservative vs. Democrat Liberal. The equation is Liberty and Freedom vs. Tyranny and Subservience. Liberty and Freedom will only thrive in a society where the government fears its people, which can only be the case when the people see through the lies that divide them. Tyranny flows not from a particular party, but from the will to POWER, which infects anybody no matter their outward political philosophy. I feel quite strongly that the real message that should be gleaned from V for Vendetta has nothing whatever to do with which political party is currently in power, or that Thatcher was horrible. Let’s look a little deeper please. The message is about THOSE WHO SEEK POWER FOR POWER’S SAKE, and the lengths they will go to in order to attain and keep it. Do you think Jack-booted thugs only march under the banners of Conservatives and Republicans? Have we forgotten that the NAZI party was the National SOCIALIST Party? Have we forgotten what happened at Waco Texas under that paragon of modern statist liberalism, Bill Clinton (oh that’s right those Waco people were RIGHT-wing radicals, which makes slaughtering them OK)? WAKE UP!!! This is not about political parties. It is about POWER and LIBERTY. Democrats and Republicans are the same. They both play the game. The only thing different between them is what they say, which is aimed at keeping the people divided while they entertain one another at expensive dinner parties.
As long as we continue to see these movies in terms of what party it is attacking, we will continue to miss the opportunity that a movie like this affords us. The equation is not Republican Conservative vs. Democrat Liberal. The equation is Liberty and Freedom vs. Tyranny and Subservience. Liberty and Freedom will only thrive in a society where the government fears its people, which can only be the case when the people see through the lies that divide them. Tyranny flows not from a particular party, but from the will to POWER, which infects anybody no matter their outward political philosophy.

]]> By: Doz http://brokentoys.org/2006/03/19/v-for-subversive/comment-page-1/#comment-1387 Doz Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:51:12 +0000 http://brokentoys.org/2006/03/19/v-for-subversive/#comment-1387 Zod, Reloaded:<br> Discussion and ciriticism of the words and actions of the political party currently in power is a sign of narrowmindedness and shallow thinking. Those who disagree with Zod aren't capable of reason or thought.<br> <br> Doz<br> <br> ps. Minus points for creating a strawman statement - nowhere is the manufactured quote you rail against presented like that in the original post or by that posts references to third party commentators. Zod, Reloaded:
Discussion and ciriticism of the words and actions of the political party currently in power is a sign of narrowmindedness and shallow thinking. Those who disagree with Zod aren’t capable of reason or thought.

Doz

ps. Minus points for creating a strawman statement – nowhere is the manufactured quote you rail against presented like that in the original post or by that posts references to third party commentators.

]]> By: Goemagog http://brokentoys.org/2006/03/19/v-for-subversive/comment-page-1/#comment-1386 Goemagog Fri, 24 Mar 2006 06:04:37 +0000 http://brokentoys.org/2006/03/19/v-for-subversive/#comment-1386 Yay, Zod!<br> <br> Goe, applauding common sense. Yay, Zod!

Goe, applauding common sense.

]]> By: Zod http://brokentoys.org/2006/03/19/v-for-subversive/comment-page-1/#comment-1385 Zod Fri, 24 Mar 2006 01:03:37 +0000 http://brokentoys.org/2006/03/19/v-for-subversive/#comment-1385 The whole "the public is asleep when the political party I don't like is in office but the public is awake when the party I do like is in office" is an unbelieveably narrowminded and shallow way of thinking. Anyone who believes this isn't capable of reasonable thought or analysis. The whole “the public is asleep when the political party I don’t like is in office but the public is awake when the party I do like is in office” is an unbelieveably narrowminded and shallow way of thinking. Anyone who believes this isn’t capable of reasonable thought or analysis.

]]> By: Rof http://brokentoys.org/2006/03/19/v-for-subversive/comment-page-1/#comment-1384 Rof Tue, 21 Mar 2006 18:26:47 +0000 http://brokentoys.org/2006/03/19/v-for-subversive/#comment-1384 "belief in the 80\'e2\'80\'99s that Margaret Thatcher was trying to drive out homosexuality from Britain"<br> <br> At the time Moore wrote VfV, the "clause 28" controversy was big news. It was a law that made it illegal for local governments (including schools) to "promote homesexuality" as an acceptable family relationship.<br> <br> More at wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_28<br> <br> In his preface to the graphic novel, Moore wrote that he felt that Thatcher was trying to "eradicate homosexuality as an abstract concept".<br> <br> Of course it didn't happen; but the politics of it at the time was pretty fraught, and that's where Moore was writing from. “belief in the 80\’e2\’80\’99s that Margaret Thatcher was trying to drive out homosexuality from Britain”

At the time Moore wrote VfV, the “clause 28″ controversy was big news. It was a law that made it illegal for local governments (including schools) to “promote homesexuality” as an acceptable family relationship.

More at wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_28

In his preface to the graphic novel, Moore wrote that he felt that Thatcher was trying to “eradicate homosexuality as an abstract concept”.

Of course it didn’t happen; but the politics of it at the time was pretty fraught, and that’s where Moore was writing from.

]]> By: Qwerty http://brokentoys.org/2006/03/19/v-for-subversive/comment-page-1/#comment-1383 Qwerty Tue, 21 Mar 2006 13:59:01 +0000 http://brokentoys.org/2006/03/19/v-for-subversive/#comment-1383 With regards to movies ability to affect the public, didn't "Top Gun" significantly increase Navy recruiting? Imagine all those seamen humming "Danger Zone" as they scraped barnacles off the Nimitz.<br> <br> Also, I think someone said high gas prices didn't wake up the public. From what I understand, the gas prices aren't high enough yet. I think if gas prices had stayed low or lowered as some folks expected, the current administration would have better numbers and a lot of Americans wouldn't mind Iraq so much. The Mob is fickle. I imagine that when gas hits around $5 a gallon, and a monthly gas bill surpasses a car payment, nobody is going to envy the president, whoever he/she might be at the time. With regards to movies ability to affect the public, didn’t “Top Gun” significantly increase Navy recruiting? Imagine all those seamen humming “Danger Zone” as they scraped barnacles off the Nimitz.

Also, I think someone said high gas prices didn’t wake up the public. From what I understand, the gas prices aren’t high enough yet. I think if gas prices had stayed low or lowered as some folks expected, the current administration would have better numbers and a lot of Americans wouldn’t mind Iraq so much. The Mob is fickle. I imagine that when gas hits around $5 a gallon, and a monthly gas bill surpasses a car payment, nobody is going to envy the president, whoever he/she might be at the time.

]]> By: Toastrider http://brokentoys.org/2006/03/19/v-for-subversive/comment-page-1/#comment-1382 Toastrider Tue, 21 Mar 2006 01:14:51 +0000 http://brokentoys.org/2006/03/19/v-for-subversive/#comment-1382 Weird, it ate my comment, or something, when I tried to quote Heather's post. Not sure what the hell I did.<br> <br> --TR Weird, it ate my comment, or something, when I tried to quote Heather’s post. Not sure what the hell I did.

–TR

]]> By: Soulflame http://brokentoys.org/2006/03/19/v-for-subversive/comment-page-1/#comment-1381 Soulflame Mon, 20 Mar 2006 21:58:50 +0000 http://brokentoys.org/2006/03/19/v-for-subversive/#comment-1381 Both parties would be content to set up a dictatorship, if you ask me.<br> <br> The only way to reclaim America is either through voting -all- of the bastards out, or... through direct application of our Second Amendment rights.<br> <br> Either way, I don't have my hopes up. Both parties would be content to set up a dictatorship, if you ask me.

The only way to reclaim America is either through voting -all- of the bastards out, or… through direct application of our Second Amendment rights.

Either way, I don’t have my hopes up.

]]> By: Kalsii http://brokentoys.org/2006/03/19/v-for-subversive/comment-page-1/#comment-1380 Kalsii Mon, 20 Mar 2006 21:00:19 +0000 http://brokentoys.org/2006/03/19/v-for-subversive/#comment-1380 The UK hardly qualifies as gay-tolerant: don't let the last thirty years fool you. Just ask Alan Turing, eh? The UK hardly qualifies as gay-tolerant: don’t let the last thirty years fool you. Just ask Alan Turing, eh?

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